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[Swiby]

Conform datelor disponibile pe internet, in catergoriile SUV si Offroader intra urmatoarele masini:

SUV

1 Acura MDX
2 Acura RDX
3 Acura SLX
4 Acura ZDX
5 Alfa Romeo Kamal
6 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro
7 Audi Allroad Quattro
8 Audi Q5
9 Audi Q7
10 BMW X3
11 BMW X5
12 BMW X6
13 Bertone Freeclimber2
14 Buick Enclave
15 Buick Rainier
16 Buick Rendezvous
17 Cadillac Escalade
18 Cadillac SRX
19 Chery Tiggo
20 Chevrolet Blazer
21 Chevrolet Captiva
22 Chevrolet Equinox
23 Chevrolet Niva
24 Chevrolet Suburban
25 Chevrolet Tahoe
26 Chevrolet Tracker
27 Chevrolet TrailBlazer
28 Chevrolet Traverse
29 Chrysler Aspen
30 Chrysler Pacifica
31 Citro�n C-Crosser
32 DR5
33 Daihatsu Be-go
34 Daihatsu Feroza
35 Daihatsu Rocky
36 Daihatsu Rugger
37 Daihatsu Taft
38 Daihatsu Terios
39 Dodge Durango
40 Dodge Journey
41 Dodge Nitro
42 Dodge Ramcharger
43 Fiat Sedici
44 Ford Bronco
45 Ford Bronco II
46 Ford EcoSport
47 Ford Edge
48 Ford Endeavour
49 Ford Escape
50 Ford Everest
51 Ford Excursion
52 Ford Expedition
53 Ford Explorer
54 Ford Flex
55 Ford Freestyle
56 Ford Kuga
57 Ford Maverick
58 Ford Taurus X
59 GMC Acadia
60 GMC Jimmy
61 GMC Suburban/Yukon XL
62 GMC Terrain
63 GMC Tracker
64 GMC Yukon
65 GMT360
66 GMT800
67 Geo Tracker
68 Great Wall Hover
69 Great Wall Hover H3
70 Great Wall Safe
71 Honda CR-V
72 Honda Element
73 Honda HR-V
74 Honda MDX
75 Honda Pilot
76 Hongqi SUV
77 Hummer H1
78 Hummer H2
79 Hummer H3
80 Hyundai Santa Fe
81 Hyundai Terracan
82 Hyundai Tucson
83 Hyundai Veracruz
84 Hyundai ix35
85 Hyundai ix55
86 Infiniti EX35
87 Infiniti FX
88 Infiniti QX
89 International Harvester Travelall
90 Isuzu Amigo
91 Isuzu Axiom
92 Isuzu Bighorn
93 Isuzu MU-7
94 Isuzu Trooper
95 Isuzu VehiCross
96 Isuzu Wizard
97 Jeep CJ
98 Jeep Commander
99 Jeep Compass
100 Jeep DJ
101 Jeep Grand Cherokee
102 Jeep Grand Wagoneer
103 Jeep Jeepster
104 Jeep KJ
105 Jeep KK
106 Jeep Patriot
107 Jeep Wagoneer
108 Jeep Wrangler
109 Jeep XJ
110 Jonway UFO
111 Kia Borrego
112 Kia Retona
113 Kia Sorento
114 Kia Soul
115 Kia Sportage
116 Lada C-Cross
117 Lada Project Dakar
118 Laforza
119 Land Rover Defende
120 Land Rover Discovery
121 Land Rover Freelander
122 Land Rover Range Rover
123 Range Rover Sport
124 Landwind X6
125 Lexus GX
126 Lexus LX
127 Lexus RX
128 Lincoln Aviator
129 Lincoln MKX
130 Lincoln Navigator
131 Martin Motors CEO
132 Mazda CX-7
133 Mazda CX-9
134 Mazda Kiyora
135 Mazda Navajo
136 Mazda Proceed Levante
137 Mazda Proceed Marvie
138 Mazda Tribute
139 Mercedes-Benz GL-Class
140 Mercedes-Benz GLK-Class
141 Mercedes-Benz M-Class
142 Mercury Mariner
143 Mercury Mountainee
144 Mitsubishi Airtrek
145 Mitsubishi Challenger
146 Mitsubishi Endeavor
147 Mitsubishi Montero
148 Mitsubishi Montero Sport
149 Mitsubishi Nativa
150 Mitsubishi Outlander
151 Mitsubishi Pajero
152 Mitsubishi Pajero Mini
153 Mitsubishi Pajero Sport
154 Mitsubishi Shogun Sport
155 Nissan Armada
156 Nissan Dualis
157 Nissan Kix
158 Nissan Mistral
159 Nissan Murano
160 Nissan Pathfinder
161 Nissan Qashqai
162 Nissan Skyline Crossover
163 Nissan Terrano
164 Nissan Terrano II
165 Nissan X-Trail
166 Oldsmobile Bravada
167 Opel Antara GTC
168 Opel Frontera
169 Perodua Kembara
170 Peugeot 4007
171 Porsche Cayenne
172 Renault Koleos
173 Samsung QM5
174 Subaru Forester
175 Suzuki Escudo
176 Suzuki Grand Vitara
177 Suzuki Jimny
178 Suzuki SX4
179 Suzuki Sidekick
180 Suzuki Vitara
181 Suzuki XL-7
182 Toyota 4Runner
183 Toyota FJ Cruiser
184 Toyota Fortuner
185 Toyota Harrier
186 Toyota Highlander
187 Toyota Hilux Surf
188 Toyota Land Cruiser 100
189 Toyota Land Cruiser 120

Offroad

1 AEC Matador
2 AGF (Light infantry vehicle)
3 ARO 10
4 ARO 24 Series
5 ARO IMS
6 ATF Dingo
7 Agricola (vehicles)
8 Alfa Romeo Matta
9 All Terrain Mobility Platform
10 Alvis Salamander
11 Alvis Stalwart (FV620)
12 Alvis Tactica
13 Amphibious ATV
14 Amphibious vehicle
15 AMZ Tur
16 ASLAV
17 Austin Champ
18 Austin Gipsy
19 Austin K2
20 Austin K5
21 AutoDiana
22 BPM-97
23 Bad Boy Heavy Muscle Truck
24 Baja Bug
25 Balkania (trade name)
26 Bedford QLD
27 Belaz 75600
28 Bronetransporter
29 Bullbar
30 Bushmaster Protected Mobility Vehicle
31 CMP FAT
32 Centre Steer
33 Citro�n M�hari
34 DAC 120 DE
35 DKW Munga
36 Daihatsu Terios
37 Dodge WC series
38 Dune bashing
39 Europa Jeep
40 FMC XR311
41 Fairlead
42 Fiat Campagnola
43 Ford Fordor
44 Four-wheel drive
45 GAZ-2330
46 GAZ-2975
47 Gama Goat
48 Game viewer vehicle
49 GAZ-3937
50 Growler (vehicle)
51 Haflinger
52 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle
53 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle manufacturing in China
54 Hummer
55 Hummer H1
56 Ibex (vehicle)
57 Improvised fighting vehicle
58 Infantry mobility vehicle
59 International FTTS
60 International MXT-MV
61 International XT
62 Iveco LMV
63 Iveco Massif
64 Jackal (MWMIK)
65 Jeep
66 Jeep Wrangler
67 Jeep trail
68 Joint Light Tactical Vehicle
69 KMW Grizzly
70 LAPV Enok
71 Lamborghini LM002
72 Lada Niva
73 Land Master
74 Land Rover 1/2 ton Lightweight
75 Land Rover 101 Forward Control
76 Land Rover Defender
77 Land Rover Discovery
78 Land Rover Perentie
79 Land Rover Series
80 Land Rover Wolf
81 Land mobile aircraft carrier
82 Landmaster
83 Landship
84 Liebherr T 282B
85 M1151
86 M520 Goer
87 M816 Wrecker
88 MOWAG Duro
89 MOWAG Eagle
90 Medium Tactical Vehicle Replacement
91 Mercedes-Benz G-Class
92 MillenWorks Light Utility Vehicle
93 Mini Moke
94 Morris C8
95 Namco (automobiles)
96 Napco Four Wheel Drive Vehicles
97 Nimr
98 Nissan Frontier
99 Nissan Safari
100 OKA 4wd
101 Pinzgauer High Mobility All-Terrain Vehicle
102 Plasan Sand Cat
103 Portee
104 RSOV
105 Renault Sherpa 2
106 Rheinmetall YAK
107 Rover (space exploration)
108 SLT 50 Elefant
109 Sandrail
110 Scammell Pioneer
111 Scammell Pioneer Semi-trailer
112 Scat Tracker
113 Scout car
114 Screw-propelled vehicle
115 Shuanghuan SCEO
116 Side x side
117 Sno-Freighter
118 Supacat
119 Suzuki
120 Suzuki Escudo
121 Suzuki Jimny
122 T-98 Kombat
123 Technical (fighting vehicle)
124 Terex Titan
125 Terra Bus
126 Thornycroft Antar
127 Thornycroft Hathi
128 Tomcar
129 Toyota Hilux
130 Toyota Land Cruiser
131 Troller T4
132 Tundra Buggy
133 Type 95 recon car
134 U.S. Military M274 Truck, Platform, Utility 1/2 Ton, 4X4
135 UMM 4x4
136 UMM 4x4 Cournil
137 UMM Alter 2000
138 UMM Alter 4x4
139 UMM Alter II
140 Unimog
141 VEPR
142 Vatt Lobo
143 Water hog
144 Wolf Armoured Vehicle
145 Yamaha Rhino
146 ZEUS-HLONS (HMMWV Laser Ordnance Neutralization System)
147 ZIL-E-167

Este evident ca sunt si cateva scapari, probabil in functie de omologari sau de pietele de destinatie.
Urmatoarea lista este mai "filtrata", fara masini aproape imposibil de achizitionat. Daca considerati ca mai sunt modele sau marci lipsa, sa completam listele si poate sa le stucturam intr-un fel - SUV-uri light, SUV-uri capabile, offroadere bune, offroadere foarte bune, etc. Am eliminat din start marcile si modelele custom, nu pupam noi din alea.

SUV

1 Acura MDX
2 Acura RDX
3 Acura SLX
4 Acura ZDX
5 Alfa Romeo Kamal
6 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro
7 Audi Allroad Quattro
8 Audi Q5
9 Audi Q7
10 BMW X3
11 BMW X5
12 BMW X6
13 Buick Enclave
14 Buick Rainier
15 Buick Rendezvous
16 Cadillac Escalade
17 Cadillac SRX
18 Chery Tiggo
19 Chevrolet Blazer
20 Chevrolet Captiva
21 Chevrolet Equinox
22 Chevrolet Niva
23 Chevrolet Suburban
24 Chevrolet Tahoe
25 Chevrolet Tracker
26 Chevrolet TrailBlazer
27 Chevrolet Traverse
28 Chrysler Aspen
29 Chrysler Pacifica
30 Citro�n C-Crosser
31 Daihatsu Be-go
32 Daihatsu Feroza
33 Daihatsu Rocky
34 Daihatsu Rugger
35 Daihatsu Taft
36 Daihatsu Terios
37 Dodge Durango
38 Dodge Journey
39 Dodge Nitro
40 Dodge Ramcharger
41 Fiat Sedici
42 Ford Bronco
43 Ford Bronco II
44 Ford EcoSport
45 Ford Edge
46 Ford Endeavour
47 Ford Escape
48 Ford Everest
49 Ford Excursion
50 Ford Expedition
51 Ford Explorer
52 Ford Flex
53 Ford Freestyle
54 Ford Kuga
55 Ford Maverick
56 Ford Taurus X
57 GMC Acadia
58 GMC Jimmy
59 GMC Suburban/Yukon XL
60 GMC Terrain
61 GMC Tracker
62 GMC Yukon
63 GMT360
64 GMT800
65 Geo Tracker
66 Great Wall Hover
67 Great Wall Hover H3
68 Great Wall Safe
69 Honda CR-V
70 Honda Element
71 Honda HR-V
72 Honda MDX
73 Honda Pilot
74 Hongqi SUV
75 Hummer H1
76 Hummer H2
77 Hummer H3
78 Hyundai Santa Fe
79 Hyundai Terracan
80 Hyundai Tucson
81 Hyundai Veracruz
82 Hyundai ix35
83 Hyundai ix55
84 Infiniti EX35
85 Infiniti FX
86 Infiniti QX
87 Isuzu Amigo
88 Isuzu Axiom
89 Isuzu Bighorn
90 Isuzu MU-7
91 Isuzu Trooper
92 Isuzu VehiCross
93 Isuzu Wizard
94 Jeep CJ
95 Jeep Commander
96 Jeep Compass
97 Jeep DJ
98 Jeep Grand Cherokee
99 Jeep Grand Wagoneer
100 Jeep Jeepster
101 Jeep KJ
102 Jeep KK
103 Jeep Patriot
104 Jeep Wagoneer
105 Jeep Wrangler
106 Jeep XJ
107 Kia Borrego
108 Kia Retona
109 Kia Sorento
110 Kia Soul
111 Kia Sportage
112 Lada C-Cross
113 Land Rover Defende
114 Land Rover Discovery
115 Land Rover Freelander
116 Land Rover Range Rover
117 Range Rover Sport
118 Landwind X6
119 Lexus GX
120 Lexus LX
121 Lexus RX
122 Lincoln Aviator
123 Lincoln MKX
124 Lincoln Navigator
125 Martin Motors CEO
126 Mazda CX-7
127 Mazda CX-9
128 Mazda Kiyora
129 Mazda Navajo
130 Mazda Proceed Levante
131 Mazda Proceed Marvie
132 Mazda Tribute
133 Mercedes-Benz GL-Class
134 Mercedes-Benz GLK-Class
135 Mercedes-Benz M-Class
136 Mercury Mariner
137 Mercury Mountainee
138 Mitsubishi Airtrek
139 Mitsubishi Challenger
140 Mitsubishi Endeavor
141 Mitsubishi Montero
142 Mitsubishi Montero Sport
143 Mitsubishi Nativa
144 Mitsubishi Outlander
145 Mitsubishi Pajero
146 Mitsubishi Pajero Mini
147 Mitsubishi Pajero Sport
148 Mitsubishi Shogun Sport
149 Nissan Armada
150 Nissan Dualis
151 Nissan Kix
152 Nissan Mistral
153 Nissan Murano
154 Nissan Pathfinder
155 Nissan Qashqai
156 Nissan Skyline Crossover
157 Nissan Terrano
158 Nissan Terrano II
159 Nissan X-Trail
160 Oldsmobile Bravada
161 Opel Antara GTC
162 Opel Frontera
163 Peugeot 4007
164 Porsche Cayenne
165 Renault Koleos
166 Samsung QM5
167 Subaru Forester
168 Suzuki Escudo
169 Suzuki Grand Vitara
170 Suzuki Jimny
171 Suzuki SX4
172 Suzuki Sidekick
173 Suzuki Vitara
174 Suzuki XL-7
175 Toyota 4Runner
176 Toyota FJ Cruiser
177 Toyota Fortuner
178 Toyota Harrier
179 Toyota Highlander
180 Toyota Hilux Surf
181 Toyota Land Cruiser 100
182 Toyota Land Cruiser 120

Offroad

1 ARO 10
2 ARO 24 Series
3 ARO IMS
4 Alfa Romeo Matta
5 Austin Champ
6 Austin Gipsy
7 Austin K2
8 Citro�n M�hari
9 Daihatsu Terios
10 Dodge WC series
11 Europa Jeep
12 Fiat Campagnola
13 Ford Fordor
14 GAZ-2330
15 GAZ-2975
16 GAZ-3937
17 Growler (vehicle)
18 Hummer H1
19 Iveco LMV
20 Iveco Massif
21 Jeep Wrangler
22 Jeep trail
23 Lamborghini LM002
24 Lada Niva
25 Land Rover 1/2 ton Lightweight
26 Land Rover 101 Forward Control
27 Land Rover Defender
28 Land Rover Discovery
29 Land Rover Perentie
30 Land Rover Wolf
31 Mercedes-Benz G-Class
32 Nissan Frontier
33 Nissan Safari
34 Pinzgauer High Mobility All-Terrain Vehicle
35 Renault Sherpa 2
36 Shuanghuan SCEO
37 Suzuki Escudo
38 Suzuki Jimny
39 Toyota Hilux
40 Toyota Land Cruiser
41 Tundra Buggy
42 Unimog
43 VEPR
44 Yamaha Rhino

[cata69]

FJ numai SUV nu e, in rest nu stiu chiar toate masinile sa ma pronunt.

[greierasul]

Pai lista e un pic ciudata ca sa zic asa. Cred ca mai degraba s-ar fi stabilit niste criterii fara de care o masina nu este offroader. Ceva de genul : sa aibe reductor, diferential central blocabil, diferential spate blocabil, garda la sol de minimum XX cm , unghiurile de atac de minimum XX , decuplarea optionala a electronicii ABS. ESP , sasiu separat, etc...

[Swiby]

Eu nu am spus ca nu ar fi ciudata. Ce e bine e ca acopera o mare parte din marcile si modelele existente. In ce categorie intra fiecare - asta este rolul subiectului. Cel mai bine se definesc categoriile, dupa aia se pot include masinile.

[Aer Curat]

F buna lista/listele; evident ca mai sunt si unele inadvertente (de ex Hummer H1 apare si colo si colo). Insa ajuta la formarea unei opinii, macar vis a vis de potentiala masina cautata.

[berkut]

Pai lista e un pic ciudata ca sa zic asa. Cred ca mai degraba s-ar fi stabilit niste criterii fara de care o masina nu este offroader. Ceva de genul : sa aibe reductor, diferential central blocabil, diferential spate blocabil, garda la sol de minimum XX cm , unghiurile de atac de minimum XX , decuplarea optionala a electronicii ABS. ESP , sasiu separat, etc...

atunci pajero e offroader doar ca la ei in lista e SUV. dracu sa-i ia.

[Frank SF]

mda, tare aia cu Land Rover Defender care e trecut la SUV....

[MMM]

Berkut, dupa ce o iei, birjaresti, ii faci incadrarea.

[berkut]

ce usor ar fi ... sunt inca in dubii ce sa aleg, dar ma documentez temeinic in acest sens .

[greierasul]

Nu conteaza unde e incadrata o masina, ci mai degraba cum iti satisface nevoile. Listele de mai sus e posibil sa te induca in "oroare". Te uiti pe lista, cumperi un offroader ca Daihatsu Terios si vezi vorba ta Berkut cum in mocirla trece pe langa tine un SUV Pajero , frustrant ))))))))) Parca e mai bine sa se stabileasca niste criterii clare dupa care sa alegi in locul unor liste create de.... chiar, de catre cine ?

[berkut]

parerea mea umila despre un offroader :
- musai reductor
- musai blocant central
- blocant spate de preferat
- posibilitate de punere 31" sau 33"
- si cu asa ceva esti ok in soft spre mediu.

[pejte]

parerea mea umila despre un offroader :

- posibilitate de punere 31" sau 33"

They see me rollin', they hatin'...

Aceasta postare a fost editata de pejte: 14 ianuarie 2010 - 02:34

[greierasul]

Stiu ca e un gest de genul kamikaze din care pot sa ma fac de ras sau mai rau sa fiu injurat de un teoretic viitor client nemultumit, dar totusi incerc si eu un sfat peste listele de mai sus vis-a-vis de offroadere.

Cine vrea un gip pentru offroad-ul "regular" ar trebui sa se uita dupa cateva criterii principale:

- masina sa aibe reductor !!! ( aici nu exista nici un fel de discutii)
- sa aibe cel putin un diferential blocabil (macar cel central)
- sa aibe diferential blocabil spate (optional dar de mare ajutor)
- sa aibe diferential fata blocabil (optional, foarte rar gasibil pe masinile de serie, locul acestuia fiind luat de circuitul ABS care simuleaza situatia data).
- sa aibe decuplabile sistemele electronice de gestiune a tractiunii si ABS-ului si ESP-ului (optional)
- sa aibe punte spate rigida ( optional, unele modele se descurca binisor si cu punte spate independenta)
- sa aibe sasiu separat (optional, unele modele se descurba onorabil si cu o caroserie autoportanta rigidizata suplimentar pentru offoad)
- sa aibe motor cu cilindree cat mai mare ( puterea e irelevanta in traseele offroad, cuplul si rezistenta la solicitari sunt primordiale)
- sa aibe 2 acumulatori
- sa aibe unghiul de atac si degajare de minimum 30 de grade
- sa aibe garda la sos de cel putin 200mm

Personal am insistat pe aceste trasaturi pentru ca sunt aproape imposibil de modificat ulterior la o masina de serie de catre un client normal care nu doreste sa-si bata capul cu tuninguri. Singura modificare facila ramanand alegerea unor anvelope optime pentru traseul de offroad parcurs.

Aceasta postare a fost editata de greierasul: 14 ianuarie 2010 - 02:35

[Swiby]

mda, tare aia cu Land Rover Defender care e trecut la SUV....

LR Defender este in mod normal incadrat ca OUV - Off-road Utility Vehicle.
Daihatsu Terios este miniSUV.

Exact ce spuneam: daca definim categoriile este foarte simplu de pus fiecare masina din lista la @#$%^ masii.

[berkut]

eu il sustin pe greierasul . asa ca idee ca nu e singurul kamikaze.

[greierasul]

Chiar baieti, de ce sa nu ne facem noi singurei criteriile si de comun acord sa facem impreuna listele cu SUV-uri compacte, SUV-uri regular, SUV-uri de lux, offroadere, etc. De ce sa ne faca altii listele doar ca lucreaza pe la vreo revista ? o mai fi si vreo pitzipoanca )))))))))

Atunci sa incepe cu offroaderele , sa-mi ziceti daca sunt greseli. Nu conteaza ordinea, ci doar ca masina respectiva sa intre in categoria corecta.

Deci:

1. Mercedes G-Class
2. Hummer 1
3. Toyota LandCruiser
4. Land Rover - Range Rover
5. Mitsubishi Pajero
6. Land Rover - Discovery
7. Mitusbishy L200
8. Toyota Hilux
9. Nissan Patrol (pacat ca nu se mai fabrica, intra in top 3 poate)
10. ARO (de care ar trebui sa fim mandri pana una alta)
11. Land Rover - Defender

Astept completarea listei

[berkut]

@greierasul : te sustin si aici

cine incepe lista ?
ia sa incep eu


SUV :
1. subaru forester
2. subaru tribeca
3. BMW x1
4. BMW x3
5. BMW x6

OFF ROADER

1. Toyota Landcruiser (TOATE)
2. Mitsubishi Pajero
3. Mitsubishi L200
4. ...


de model mai sus

[greierasul]

Berkut, ocupa-te tu de SUV-uri ( ca e mai incalcit ) si ma bag eu la offroadere. Dupa ce definitivam listele vom face in dreptul fiecaruia descriei concise astfel incat sa-si aleaga omul masina corecta, nu dupa niste reviste pline de publicitate mincinoasa.

[alex230ro]

bai ce marfa s-a prizat pe acilea??!incadrearea o face fiecare in functie de necesitati,e clar ca pentru mine de ex X3 X5 si alte cazane de genu sunt GIP acum pentru unu care o arde profesional pe coclauri alea e biciclete,oricum specii si subspecii o sa tot fie asa ca degeaba ne chinuim sa inventam roata ..

[Swiby]

Chiar baieti, de ce sa nu ne facem noi singurei criteriile si de comun acord sa facem impreuna listele cu SUV-uri compacte, SUV-uri regular, SUV-uri de lux, offroadere, etc. De ce sa ne faca altii listele doar ca lucreaza pe la vreo revista ? o mai fi si vreo pitzipoanca )))))))))

Bre, listele le-am scos de pe wiki chiar eu, deci pot fi pitziponk, nu -oanka.
bekrut, TLC da, toate, mai putin Prado si urmasele ei pana in zilele noastre, care nu au nimic de-a face cu ofrodu.

[berkut]

sa continuam :

SUV :
1. subaru forester
2. subaru tribeca
3. BMW x1
4. BMW x3
5. BMW x6
6. toyota RAV4
7. Mitsubishi Outlander
8. Lexus FX
9. Suzuki Vitara
10. Dodge Nitro
11. Jeep Commander
12. Jeep Grand Cherokee
13. Jeep Compass
14. Dodge Nitro
15. Audi Q5-Q7
16. VW Tiguan
17.

[Frank SF]

BMW X5 nu e SUV, doar X1, X3 si X6?

Iar Suzuki Vitara are reductor, eu nu l-as incadra la SUV, ci la off-roader....

[MMM]

Asa, Frank.

Intreaba-l pe Mike ce are? :laugh:

Aceasta postare a fost editata de LKS: 14 ianuarie 2010 - 02:57

[berkut]

Bre, listele le-am scos de pe wiki chiar eu, deci pot fi pitziponk, nu -oanka.
bekrut, TLC da, toate, mai putin Prado si urmasele ei pana in zilele noastre, care nu au nimic de-a face cu ofrodu.

LC120 e offroader. LC100 si ala e ... deci si prado e offroader

BMW X5 nu e SUV, doar X1, X3 si X6?

Iar Suzuki Vitara are reductor, eu nu l-as incadra la SUV, ci la off-roader....

x5 e sav . asta nou e sav toata ziua
vitara tot suv as zice , ca si foresterul are reductor.

[Swiby]

LC120 e offroader. LC100 si ala e ... deci si prado e offroader

Cat timp ele sunt clar diferentiate, nu vad de ce nu le putem separa si noi. Singura asemanare intre ele este sigla de pe grila.
Si cutie de transfer, nu, nu inseamna diferential central. Daca o masina are "Low" nu inseamna automat ca are diferential central.

http://en.wikipedia....d_Cruiser_Prado