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[aiculedtzu]

Dragii mei dragi,

Cei de la BMW pregatesc pentru 2003 noul M3 CSL. Cartea de vizita: 360 CP si cu aproximativ 200 Kg mai usor decat M3-ul actual.

"BMW's M3 CSL Lightweight Concept laps the northern circuit of Germany's famed Nurburgring in less than 8 minutes. How's that grab you for special? Think about it this way: A stock M3 requires 30 additional seconds to perform the same feat.

That's what happens when a great sports car goes on a diet. The CSL Lightweight weighs a whopping 440 fewer pounds than a stock M3, without foregoing the amenities that make daily driving that much easier. Not only has the car lost weight, but it also makes more power � more than 350 horses thanks to a streamlined cylinder charge process and reduced friction. The result is a 7.7-pound per horsepower power to weight ratio instead of the stock M3's 9.6-lb. per hp figure. This engine drives the rear wheels through BMW's Sequential M Gearbox with Drivelogic (SMG). Two paddles mounted to the steering wheel are used to shift gears.

To shed poundage, BMW jettisoned the side airbags, the rear seat and the trunk toolkit. Beyond that, plenty of carbon fiber and carbon fiber-reinforced plastics were used to lighten the M3. The front air dam and the doors, as well as the rear decklid, are carbon fiber. Flaps on the air dam, side mirror housings and roof are also carbon fiber. Weight came out of the bulkhead between the passenger compartment and the trunk, the floorpan and the floor of the cargo compartment. The seat frames, center console and gauge trim are composed of carbon fiber-reinforced plastic. Extra-thin rear glass is employed, and magnesium supports the instrument panel.

And with 19-inch wheels with 18-inch brake discs, you can imagine that this Lightweight is no lightweight when it comes to going and stopping."

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Dragii mei dragi,

Sincer sa fiu nici eu nu am inteles rostul acelei "gaurici" in spoiler pe partea stanga ... dar hey ... vorbim de BMW si nu cred ca au uitat sa-i faca una si in partea dreapta In rest ce pot spune despre un automobil mai rapid cu 30 de secunde pe tur la Nurburgring decat etalonulul acestui segment de automobile ... premiul I cu coronitza.

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[EvilOne]

Ma gindesc ca poate "gauriciul" ala e pentru radiatorul de ulei un "must" pentru turatiile alea. Numai o presupunere bineinteles.....

[aiculedtzu]

Originally posted by Chris
oare pt. digicam ? sa vezi emblema de spate is 430 cu 400 hp ?
s-ar putea !

Posibil ... la viteza cu care M3 CSL trece pe langa lexus ... soferul bmw-ului nu prea are timp sa vada ce masini a depasit ... astfel poate urmari imaginile in slow-motion dupa ce a ajuns la destinatie http://www.garajul.r...tyle_emoticons/default/010.gif

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[aiculedtzu]

da da, un topic nou trebuie ! Aici M3 ... Acolo Jaguar ! Exceptional

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[aiculedtzu]

Da oltcit, si mie imi place Jag-ul, dar nu la fel de mult ca si pe vremuri. Intr-adevar Jaguar este un nume cu o imagine pe masura, dar trebuie sa recunoastem ca in ultimii ani nu mai este ceea ce a fost ... mai ales de cand face parte din familia Ford.

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[EvilOne]

Totusi cind o sa vedem si noi CSL-ul? Intra-adevar M3 evoluase in toate directiile, inclusiv se ingrasase cam mult. 1600 kg mi se pare foarte mult. Oricum ceva fibra de carbon, aluminiu si magneziu au rezolvat problema.:sleep:

[aiculedtzu]

Cu ocazia Salonului Auto de la Geneva din luna Martie va fi prezentat oficial noul BMW M3 CSL. Greutatea a fost redusa la 1385kg iar puterea maxima a crescut la 360 CP / 7900 RPM, dezvoltand o putere de 111 CP/ litru (cea mai mare putere litrica pentru un motor de 6 cilindri ). Cutia de viteze este SMG va dispune de Launch Control (la fel ca si masinile din F1).
Performantele masini:
0-100 - 4.9 sec
0-200 -16.8 sec
vmax - 250 km/h (limitata electronic)

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[EvilOne]

Dap, asta pare sa fi fost ultima evolutie a acestui motor. Totusi se intimpla ceva la BMW, parca nu se mai iau asa in serios ca pina acum. Ma uit la acest CSl si ce vad: doar 100kg mai putin decit versiunea stock. Nu prea si-au dat silinta in directia asta (unde se putea evolua cel mai mult). Mai mult, masina nu poate sa faca sub 8 minute la Nurburgring?!?!?!??!? Cum se poate asa ceva, BMW sa nu faca ce a spus?? Cu toate ajutoarele electronice etc etc il bate un amarit de LSD cu blocaj variabil de la GT3 sau 100 cp mai putin combinati cu o super transmisie 4x4. E o chestie aici , poate sasiul nu e chiar reusit...cine stie...

Totusi puteau sa se chinuie mai mult la scaderea masei.

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[EvilOne]

Cred ca daca puneau V8 stricau complet balansul masinii si "ingropau" trenul fata, masina devenea si mai subviratoare etc etc. Au fost ceva tuneri care au pus V8 pe seria 3 si rezultatele nu au fost stralucite (la fel si C55 AMG)

Motorul era suficienet de bun pentru cursa lui (mare) insa masina e prea grea, mult prea grea.

[aiculedtzu]

Mai Evile, ceea ce faci tu este carcotaserie curata Cum poti sa spui ca M3 CSL la cele 1385 kg este greu?
Ferrai 360 Modena are 1470 KG
575 M Maranello are 1700 KG
iar ENZO este la fel de greu ca si M3 CSL !!!
Ca sa nu mai vorbesc de concurenta directa a lui M3, S4 are aprox 1800 KG iar c32 AMG 1650 KG.
Motorul este extraordinar producand 360 CP din 3200cmc, in timp ce altii nici cu turbo nu viseaza la asemenea putere (si aici stii tu la cine ma refer )
Cat desptre Nurburing, ia citeste tu mai jos:

"The objective: To lap the Northern Circuit of Nurburgring in less than eight minutes

The results of all these improvements is a car offering driving pleasure characteristic of BMW in its purist form. Through its uncompromising harmony of virtually every feature and component, the M3 CSL guarantees driving dynamics of the highest standard enabling the car to break a "sound barrier" previously regarded as quite impossible: to lap the Northern Circuit of Nurburgring in a production car in less than eight minutes.

Given its outstanding power-to-weight ratio, its supreme agility anddriving precision, the new M3 CSL not only enters a new dimension of dynamic motoring, but also opens up the door for new solutions in technology, convincingly presenting a unique synthesis of intelligent lightweight technology and high performance - a modern sports car which, through the sum total of its truly outstanding features, lives out the innermost world of the BMW brand: sheer driving pleasure in its purest form. "

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[EvilOne]

Nu mai, eu consider usoara o masina sub 1200kg. Motorul e super. Masina asta a fost si testata, si nu s-a coborit sub 8. Ceva in jur de 8.07-8.10. Crezi ca daca coborau sub 8 nu se laudau ei??

[aiculedtzu]

Acum traim in alte vremuri Evil. Este greu sa vinzi o masina fara ABS, Aer Conditionat, etc ... care toate cantaresc nu gluma. Si nici carbon nu poti utiliza prea mult pentru ca este extrem de scump
Cat despre Nurburing ... eu nu am auzit sa fi fost testat noul M3 CSL. Am sa caut informatii despre asta.

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[aiculedtzu]

Uite ce am gasit:

"Three facts describe the fortes of this prototype which was displayed at the Frankfurt Motorshow: weight reduction; power-to-weight ratio under 3.5 kgs/bhp;, lap time on the northern circuit of Nurburgring less than 8 minutes. The phenomenal lap time achieved is the result of a consistent concept based on �intelligent� lightweight engineering - the optimum combination of materials and components using the most suitable material for each component and its specific requirements. This strategy is directly connected to BMW�s Formula 1 technology carried over to the road by the M3 CSL on a number of fundamental points. Just one example is the consistent use on the car of carbon-fibre-reinforced plastic, the polular material in Formula 1 racing."

Si uite ce masini sunt in urma lui:

8,02 = 155 km/h 911 Roock Turbo RST 480, 480 ps, Sport Auto.
8,04 = 153 km/h Lamborghini Diablo GT, Sport Auto 2000.
8,05 = 153 km/h 2002 Ferrari 575 Maranello, Sport Auto 2002.
8,06,02 = 154 km/h Caterham Superlight 140 hp 470 kg, Robert Nearn 1998/1998.
8,07 = 152 km/h Ferrari 550 Maranello, Sport Auto 1998/1999.
8,09 = 152 km/h Ferrari 360, Sport Auto 2000.
8,09 = 153 km/h Lamborghini Diablo SV 520 ps.
8,09 = 153 km/h Porsche 993 GT2 430 ps.
8,10 = 151 km/h Chrysler Viper GTS, Sport Auto.
8,11 = 153 km/h E36 M3 Modified, Mike Jeager
8,12 = 152 km/h Porsche 993 Turbo S 432 ps, 1998.
8,12 = 152 km/h Porsche 993 Turbo 408 ps, 1997.
8,12 = 152 km/h 2002 MB SL AMG, Sport Auto 2002.
8,13 = 152 km/h Ferrari F355 380 ps.
8,13 = 152 km/h Lotus Espirit Sport 350.
8,15 = 151 km/h Ruf CTR 2 993 520 ps, Stefan Roser.
8,15 = 151 km/h Ruf CTR 911 469 ps, Stefan Roser.
8,15 = 151 km/h Porsche 964 RS 260 ps.
8,15 = 150 km/h BMW Z8 400 ps, Sport Auto 2000.
8,16 = 151 km/h Porsche 996 Carrera 4S 320 ps, Porsche test drivers 2001.
8,17 = 151 km/h Porsche 993 Carrera 4, Nils Baker 1997.
8,17 = 151 km/h Porsche 996 Carrera 300 ps.
8,17,37 = 150 km/h Schnitzer M3 E36 CLS II 350 ps 1330 kg, Manfred Wollgarten, Car 1998/1999.
8,17 = 149 km/h 2001 Audi RS4 375 ps Sports Packet and R-tires, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2001.
8,17 = 149 km/h 2002 Maserati Cambiocorsa, Sport Auto 2002.
8,18 = 150 km/h BMW Z8 400 ps.
8,18 = 149 km/h Ferrari F355 380 ps, Sport Auto.
8,20 = 150 km/h Porsche 996 Carrera 2 320 ps, Porsche test drivers 2001.
8,20 = 150 km/h BMW M5 E39 -98 400 ps, BMW test drivers 1998.
8,20 = 150 km/h BMW M3 Evo E36 321 ps.
8,20 = 148km/h 2002 Audi RS6, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2002.
8,22 = 149 km/h Dodge Viper GTS -98, Gunnar Dackevall 1998.
8,22 = 149 km/h BMW M Coupe 321 ps, 1999.
8,22 = 149 km/h BMW e46 M3 -00, BMW test drivers 2000.
8,24 = 148 km/h BMW X5 Le Mans 700 ps prototype.
8,25 = 148 km/h Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo 6 280 hp, 2000.
8,25 = 147 km/h 2001 Audi RS4 375 ps, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2001.
8,25 = 147 km/h Callaway C12 -99 400 hp, Sport Auto 1999.
8,28 = 147 km/h Porsche 911 Cabrio 993 285 ps, 1998/1999.
8,28,1 = 147 km/h Nissan Skyline GTR standard 276 hp, Stephen Sutcliffe, AutoCar 1998/1999.
8,28 = 147 km/h BMW M5 E39 400 ps.
8,28 = 146 km/h Porsche 964 RS 260 ps, Sport Auto 1992.
8,29 = 147 km/h Mercedes CLK 55 AMG.
8,31,42 = 146 km/h Ferrari F355 GTS 380 ps, Car, Barrie 'Whizzo' Williams 1998/1999.
8,32 = 146 km/h Porsche Boxter S.
8,32 = 146 km/h BMW Z3 M Roadster 321 ps.
8,32 = 145 km/h Porsche 964 Turbo 365 ps, Sport Auto 1992.
8,33,80 = 146 km/h Honda NSX 6 speed 276 hp, Dirk Schoysman, Car 1998/1999.
8,34 = 146 km/h BMW M3 -97 321 ps, 1997.
8,35 = 145 km/h Golf I 200 ps 2100ccm, Thomas Koops Germany 1992.
8,35 = 145 km/h BMW M3 SMG -98 321 ps, 1998.
8,36 = 145 km/h Jaguar XKR.
8,36,42 = 145 km/h M3 Evo E36 321 ps, Dirk Schoysman, Car 1998/1999.
8,37 = 145 km/h Maserati 3200 GT.
8,37,10 = 145 km/h Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec 350 hp, Dirk Schoysman, Car 1998/1999.
8,37 = 143 km/h 2000 Subaru Impreza GT Turbo 218 ps, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2000.
8,37 = 143 km/h 2002 Volkswagen Golf R32, Sport Auto 2002.
8,38 = 144 km/h Honda NSX -98 280 hp, 1998.
8,38,40 = 144 km/h Porsche 911 993 Carrera 285 ps, Stephen Sutcliffe, Car 1998/1999.
8,38 = 143 km/h MB SL500, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2001.
8,40 = 144 km/h Chevrolet Corvette -98 344 hp, 1998.
8,41 = 143 km/h Aston Martin DB7 Vantage 420 hp.
8,41 = 143 km/h E36 M3, Roger Sharp.
8,41 = 142 km/h 2000 Audi S3 210 ps, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2000.
8,42 = 142 km/h Lotus Exige, Sport Auto.
8,42 = 142 km/h Audi S4 265 ps, Sport Auto.
8,43 = 142 km/h Honda Integra Type-R 190 hp, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2000.
8,44,83 = 143 km/h Corvette -97 339 hp, Dirk Schoysman.
8,45 = 141 km/h M3 E30 -87, car modified, engine standard 200 ps, 1997.

[EvilOne]

aicule, alea erau caracteristicile pe care vroiau ei sa le atinga. Si sint pentru prototipul de la Frankfurt nu pentru masina de strada. Asa au zis atunci, acum zic: am scazut sub 8.10 vrem sa atacam bariera de 8.00.

[aiculedtzu]

Asa este Evil. Tocmai am citit ca au atins 8:07 ... dar nu imi era cunoscut soferul. Poate cu unul mai bun ...
Oricum masina este superba, vezi ce masini sunt dupa 8:07

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[EvilOne]

Si in fond benchmarkul asta e destul de subiectiv. Ce daca ai scos 8 la N., asta nu inseamna ca o sa faci pe strada un Diablo cu un GT3. Acum am aflat ca motorul de la CSL este tot cu blocul din otel, plus alte piese stock (biele normale, nu din Ti ca la GT3). Cu bloc din aliaj, biele din Ti etc cred ca mai scoteau vreo 20-25 kg.