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#1 Mugur_Cosma

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 08:43 PM

Cine are cunostinta si ma poate ajuta cu un versus din presa auto intre cele 2 masini de mai sus; eventual motorizarile diesel.
Am o polemica cu un amic si vreau sa o transam odata pt totdeauna.

Mersi anticipat.

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 11:45 PM

zi polemica, ca o rezolvam :)
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 08:32 AM

Polemica a pornit de la faptul ca o Alfa 156 1.9JTD, 115CP face (sau nu) pe 400m sau pe o tura de poligon un Mondeo 2.0TDCi 130CP cu VGT.

Sariti !!! :argument:
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 08:54 AM

Sincer eu cred ca nu face...

Putem incerca in practica... Viper vine cu Fordu', mai trebuie sa gasim o Alfa... :D
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 08:59 AM

OK, ma bag, dar la aia cu poligonul, sau la 400m in cadru ne-public. Adica ceva sa fie legal.
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 11:27 AM

Mondeo are si cilindreea mai mare, si cuplul si nr. de CP. Care este ipoteza prin care Alfa sa o faca?
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 11:32 AM

Probabil ca e Alfa si asta conteaza... E chestia aia discutata indelung, cu sigla care aduce CP in plus (cred)...

Poate cineva sa puna aici datele tehnice ale "concurentelor"? Inclusiv mase, etc?

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Posted 07 May 2007 - 12:11 PM

am gasit pe net ca alfa ar face 10.3 pana la 100, iar mondeo 11.3

http://www.autoghid....133/Mondeo.html

http://www.20auto.ro...43aaaf743a81d9d

nu dati in mine daca nu sunt reale, eu asta am gasit..
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 12:33 PM

Era interesant daca stiam masele celor 2...
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 09:33 PM

Pai conteaza f. mult greutatea celor doua masini si puterea la roata (nu cea la motor).
Cu o transmisie cu rapoarte buna, o masina cu cai mai putini si greutate mai mica,
poate face o masina (mai grea) cu cai mai multi dar cu o cutie mai putin sportiva.
Daca timpii de mai sus pe 0-100 sunt reali, cel mai probabil o sa castige alfa .

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Posted 07 May 2007 - 09:43 PM

Care am aflat ca e cu 200kg mai usoara... E adevarat, si cuplul ei e cu 45Nm mai jos... Dar si eu tind sa cred ca Alfa va castiga pe 400m.
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 11:01 PM

sa le luam pe rand...
alfa
Potencia m�xima CV - kW / rpm 116 - 85 / 4000
Par m�ximo Nm / rpm 275 / 2000
0-100 - 10,3
1380kg

ford
Potencia m�xima CV - kW / rpm 131 - 96 / 4000
Par m�ximo Nm / rpm 330 / 1800
0-100 - 9,9
1492kg

15cp in minus, 55nm in minus, dar tot in minus si ~100kg...
close, dar eu merg pe mana lu ford.
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 11:29 PM

Pe 400m s-ar putea sa nu. Poate Mondeo cu cutia in 6 trepte. Al meu e cu 5.
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 11:59 PM

Motorul de 116Cp de pe Mondeo nu a venit cu 6 trepte de viteza. Alea 100kg nu sunt asa importante. Mondeo are 55Nm in plus, disponibili cu 200rpm mai jos.
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Posted 08 May 2007 - 06:45 AM

Se vorbea de Mondeo de 130, nu de 115.
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Posted 08 May 2007 - 06:59 AM

depinde intr-o bunicica masura si de sofer la un 400m, de cat de repede stie schimba... :)
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Posted 08 May 2007 - 09:00 AM

Pai conteaza f. mult greutatea celor doua masini si puterea la roata (nu cea la motor).

o mica rectificare, prin "puterea la roti" ai vrut sa spui probabil cuplul la roti
cutia de viteze e multiplicator de cuplu :)
in rest da, explicatia ta e ok
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Posted 09 May 2007 - 03:16 PM

Eu merg pe Mondeo, diferenta de greutate e destul de mica iar motorul Ford e mai evoluat. Ar trebui una mica....se gasesc ceva 115cp disponibile.
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Posted 05 June 2007 - 02:55 PM

Deci? S-a facut liniutza? Chiar eram curios.
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Posted 05 June 2007 - 03:09 PM

Nu fac liniutze. Doar in mediu controlat sau in afara drumurilor publice.
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Posted 05 June 2007 - 03:30 PM

transmisia e totul. restul cifrelor nu prea conteaza decat la masini identice de la acelasi producator.
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