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[VIPER]

Pe ClubFord deja se discuta aprins acest subiect. Vi-l atasez pentru ca ma intereseaza foarte serios niste pareri!

"2-stroke oil and diesel

To all interested:
due to the pollution control measures of the EC diesel-oil is nearly sulphur free and contains up to 5% of bio-diesel. Sulphur has the property to grease the high pressure injection pump and the injectors. Without sulphur, the reduced greasing property of the new diesel has already shown negativ impacts on the long-term stability of the injectors and the high pressure pump. The pump manufacturers have tried to react by lining the moving parts of the pumps with teflon or other suitable material. However, the long term stability is still not achieved as with the old (sulphor contained) diesel.
The engine-research centre of a well known German car manufacurer has conducted some long term tests of diesel additives to find out whether any one of them will have an impact on the long term reliability of the diesel engine components. This introduction to explain were my information comes from.
The results of this research: any diesel additive of any manufacturer presently on the market is not worth the money!
BUT: 2-stroke oil, which we use in our motor saws, lawn mower or in 2-stroke motor engines has shown to have an extreme positive impact on diesel engines, if such 2-stroke oil is added to the diesel in a homoeophatic dosis of 1:200. In practical terms: 0,300 litre of 2-stroke oil into the 70l diesel tank. The 2-stroke oil will be absorbed by the diesel (emulsion) and grease every moving part of the high pressure pump and the injectors.
Besides this, the 2-stroke oil will keep the diesel engine clean, as it burnes cleaner as the diesel itself.
In other words, the 2-stroke oil has a much lower ash-content as diesel, when burned. This proven fact delays the DPF (diesel particulate (soot) filter) to clogg, and the "burn free" process of the DPF will be much less.
One more information: in Germany we have to present our cars every 2 years to the TUV -Technical Supervision Organisation - who will check, amongs others, the pollution of petrol and diesel engines.
The measured cloud-factor of a diesel engine without use of 2-stroke oil has been 0,95.
The same factor with the use of 2-stroke oil has been 0,47 - reduction of nearly half of the soot particles.
Besides this, the use of 2-stroke oil in the diesel will increase the milage by 3-5%.

To all:

Fill in 0,3 litre of 2-stroke oil with every tank filling. You will notice a surprisingly big difference in the smoothness of your engine running, the noise level is reduced, particularely when the engine is cold, and the fuel ecconomy will increase besides the described other advantages.
The 2-stroke oil I can recommend from my own experience (value for price) is the Liqui Moly 2-stoke oil, semi-synthetic, Product no. 1052 (blue plastic bottle). The use of 2-stroke oil is recommended also for diesel engines without DPF. If you "forget" to fill in the little dosis of 2-stroke oil - no problem. Just fill it in the next time.
Everybody who has used the 2-stroke oil in his/her diesel engine has confirmed that they could not have done better.

Do not use fully synthetic 2-stroke oil, as too expensive, and you do not really need this high quality for your purpose. Semi-synthetic will do.

The use of 2-stroke oil in the diesel will under normal circumstances not be evident, as the 2-stroke oil will be absorbed by the diesel by forming an emulsion, which will not seperate.
As I have said, we have to undergo every 2 years a pollution control inspection by our TUV, and the emission values as measured are by far better with use of 2-stroke oil than without. I have not come accross any case in which a car manufacturer has waived its guarantee obligo for cars which have used this 2-stroke oil (off course, not knowing this).
Dismantling the test diesel engines after the 2-stroke oil test has revealed that such engines have been in an extroardinary clean and top condition. So why should any car manufacturer have any reason to waive any guarantees (for whatever technical reasons) if the concerned engine is otherwise in a clean and top condition.

Why car manufacturers do not recommend 2-stroke oil

You may all know that Mercedes Benz have conducted in 2007 a long distance reliability test with a number of Mercedes E-Class 320 cdi from Paris to Beijing. Due to the fact that the diesel quality in East European Countries, Russia and China does not meet the DIN requirements, and Mercedes did not want to take the risk of their engines to flopp due to lousy fuel, the total tour has been accompanied by diesel tanks to re-fuel the E-Class cdi's. Selected members of the Mercedes clientele could apply to participate in selected parts of this test-tour, and advocats and notaries had to certify the correctness of this long term reliability test.
Although Mercedes does not like it published or made public, it is a fact that the diesel-fuel used for this test did contain 2-stroke oil to grease the high pressure pump components and to keep the engines clean during this marathon.
Why our car manufacturers do not officially allow the homoeophatic addition of 2-stroke oil to the diesel fuel has many reasons, mostly of legal nature. Besides this, which car manufacturer has any interest in excessive reliability of their engines? Their repair shops will have great problems.
Meanwhile the "2-stroke-oil to diesel" issue has attracted the interest of a number of Universities in Germany, as this 2-stroke oil has shown to have amazing poperties if added in a small dosis to diesel fuel (1:200), especially the positive impact on air pollution, reduced fuel consumption and improved long term reliability of the diesel engine. The pro and con discussions will go on for a while. But as soon as an accademic report has been published by one of our Universities, this will change very fast.
By the way: all car manufacturers reject the addition of any fuel "additive" in their cars, and warn that guarantee MAY be affected. Nobody says, that guarantee WILL be rejected. 2-stroke oil in its properties is not an additive, as you add oil to oil if you "dope" you fuel with a dosis of 2-stroke oil. The dosis of 2-stroke oil in your diesel-fuel is very difficult to analyse, as every (chemical) analysis has the main function to identify substances which are harmful. But 2-stroke oil has proven not to be harmful at all, on the contrary!
Personally, I use 2-stroke oil now for many years in all of my diesel cars (my present business car is a Mercedes 320 cdi DPF Automatic). And I never had any problems whatsoever.

Yamaha-Fan"

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[Relu]

Pe linga fum de motorina, sa mai scoata si de ulei
Facem un topic si despre turbo electric ?
Mare ti-e gradina ...

p.s.
1Q-le, n-am nimic cu tine

[VIPER]

Pai ce ai putea avea cu mine, io doar am scris ce au scris altii Faza e ca tot aud pe multi care fac chestia asta. Unii la parc auto de la firma. Ceva o fi, iar daca nu e, de ce nu e? Ce e ilogic in ce spune nenea ala?

Si tot citesc, si tot citesc. Vad chestia asta la motoare de barci, de masini, de camioane. Chiar toti sa faca misto? V-as ruga sa veniti cu argumente pro si contra daca se poate... Chestia cu lipsa sulfului in motorina moderna e reala, la fel problemele cauzate motoarelor mai vechi. Nu o zic eu, e zisa de N mecanici.

http://www.hartshang...age/4688702.htm interesant...

Edited by VIPER, 29 May 2009 - 06:16 PM.

[Relu]

Ilogic e faptul ca faci amestec la un motor in 4 timpi la care combustibilul e in rezervor, si uleiul e in baia de ulei. Nu aduc in discutie motoarele in 2 timpi care merg fara amestec si au baie de ulei....

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Si tot citesc, si tot citesc. Vad chestia asta la motoare de barci, de masini, de camioane. Chiar toti sa faca misto? V-as ruga sa veniti cu argumente pro si contra daca se poate... Chestia cu lipsa sulfului in motorina moderna e reala, la fel problemele cauzate motoarelor mai vechi. Nu o zic eu, e zisa de N mecanici.

http://www.hartshang...age/4688702.htm interesant...

Poti citi cit vrei. Gasesti pe net o gramada de aberatii. Pina in momentul cind va spune un fabricant de motoare ca asa a gindit motorul, si va scrie in manual ca asa se face, toate povestile astea sunt de risul curcilor !

[oaspetele]

Chestia cu sulful e destul de reala, normal, la motoare de conceptie ceva mai vechi.
In momentul punerii lor pe piata, erau gandite pentru x ppm sulf in motorina, acuma continutul respectiv tinzand spre O.
Problemele ce pot sa apara sint de lubrifiere.

[VIPER]

Am aflat cate ceva de la un mecanic. Se facea treaba asta la motoarele cu PD mai vechi in ideea de a ingrosa motorina din motive de probleme mecanice la nu's ce cap hidraulic ca nu mai ajungea motorina la injectoare blabla (pana mea, scriu ce am retinut ca oricum e chineza pt mine ). La astea mai noi (la Ford cel putin) exista o pompa de "lift" tocmai pentru a urca motorina. El imi zice ca e chiar pe dos, o motorina mai subtire nu mai lasa "jeg" pe injectoare (si nu numai) si in nici un caz prin ingrosare nu s-ar obtine ceva bun. Si lui i se parea aberanta treaba. Dar a zis ca se facea in trecut la motoarele diesel vechi.

[EvilOne]

Oricum chiar daca da bine nu o sa accepte nici un producator, asa ca "proceed at your own risk". O sa pun niste ulei de 2 timpi in juma de kil de mtoorina sa vad ce zice.