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[masterblaster]

preturile sunt un pic cam mari....dar e la inceput si nu sunt preturi de ro
cat de bine arata in echipare sport http://www.garajul.r...tyle_emoticons/default/party1.gif
hmm Windows Mobile....oare cand vrei sa franezi iti apare o fereastra cu "Are you sure you want to apply the brakes?" http://www.garajul.r...tyle_emoticons/default/010.gif

[Maxy]

Oricum testul din whatcar nu este relevant se stie ca pentru masinile care au un nume mai mic acorda niste punctaje de tot....vezi Hyundai unele Forduri si alte masini,pe mine nu ma intereseaza foarte mult parerea celor de la whatcar.Despre setarea suspensie eu zic sa asteptam driveul cu un motor puternic,este posibil ca setarea sa difere parca m-ar mira ca Fiat sa nu fie la intaltime tocmai la acest capitol.
Ca design interior si exterior e pur si simplu magnifica in pozele de mai sus m-a lasat fara cuvinte.

Aceasta postare a fost editata de Maxy: 02 februarie 2007 - 12:16

[the1]

Astept sa vad interiorul in realitate, pana acum si Autocar si whatcar nu au fost prea incantati de calitatea indoielnica a materialelor si de finisarea slaba, ceea ce nu m-ar mira daca interiorul e facut in stilul celui de la GP (ca finisare). Designul exterior e superb, mai ales in echiparea Sport, cu jante uriase, si intr-o culoare cat mai ''vie''. Sunt putin dezamagit de prima impresie a jurnalistilor legata de comportamentul sasiului, care nu pare foarte sporty... dar, vorba lui max, sa vedem cum vor merge si 1.4 TJet-urile. Per ansamblu, mi se pare o masina destul de mediocra, cu un design superb si niste motorase TJet apetisante. Putea fi mult mai bun, dar cred ca e destul de OK si asa...

[the1]

[Dee]

pretul la varianta full mi se pare chiar okay insa vad ca la 1.4 in varianta cea mai ieftina este cam mare. E pacat si sper sa fie altfel in RO.
Imi plac culorile si ceasurile bordului ca sa nu mai zic de volan. Spatele masinii e iar foarte reusit dar fata mi se pare cam cuminte. Log-ul FIAT nou este interesant (al doilea logo in 3 ani ..poate se hotarasc la unu) Unitatea audio, ca la toate modelele noi e urata si supradimensionata. Se pare ca toti constructorii ne impun prin adoptarea unor aparate 2DIN greu de inlocuit, solutii audio ieftine la preturi mari si posibilitati reduse de upgradare a sound-ului.

[Maxy]

Din pacate in legatura cu Soundul asa va fi trendul la toate masinile
Totusi cred ca si za uan poate confirma la grande punto cel putin sistemul Hi Fi se auzea absolut incredibil.

[Frank SF]

maxy, nu e chiar la toate masinile, ai vazut ca la noul Merc C-Class nu se ofera standard nici un fel de sistem audio

[Maxy]

Arghh da corect,iti da un capac negru http://www.garajul.r...tyle_emoticons/default/010.gif

[the1]

Da, chiar se auzea bine la GP si sunt sigur ca si sunetul din Bravo e cel putin decent. Cum adica, tot nu s-a lamurit treaba cu sunetul din C_Class? Tot fara vine?

[the1]

Lista preturi si dotari in ITA.

http://www.fiatautop...201_F_Bravo.pdf

[the1]

Hmm... sper ca e vorba doar de greseli specifice modelelor de preserie...

[the1]

Test cu 1.4 TJet

What's new
Diesel may now account for 50 per cent of Europe�s 17.7 million annual car sales, but that means there�s still a very healthy market left over for petrol-powered cars. Fiat is among the first manufacturers to try and revitalise petrol power with a small capacity, high output turbocharged engine. The idea is that, even when boosted by a turbocharger, the engine�s relatively modest size will allow impressive economy. Fiat didn't release much in the way of technical detail about its new T-JET family of engines, other than that they will come in 120- and 150bhp versions, both offering 151lb ft or torque between 1750 and 2000rpm. The 150bhp version gets a neat, dash-mounted �Sport� button, which activates another 19lb ft. Information was limited because the T-Jet test cars we tried in Rome were pre-production and not due for launch until June (the same time that the Bravo arrives in the UK � Fiat thinks it will be polular in Britain).
What's it like?
Ahead of driving a Sport-spec 150bhp T-Jet I tried a 150bhp Bravo diesel, and I�m glad I did. This production-ready oil-burner was very refined, and had plenty of push. The equivalent petrol-powered Bravo wasn�t, and didn�t. At low speeds the 1.4 T-Jet engine lacked torque (hardly surprising for a 1.4-litre engine) and it needed plenty of stoking to get it up to speed. Under hard acceleration the engine�s note was rather insistent and, to my ear, more intrusive than the diesel which didn�t need to be pushed so hard. The big wheels that come with the Sport spec also took away the ability of the standard Bravo to round off the harsh edges of poor surfaces. These, and a few other flies in the ointment, can still be improved before June though.
Should I buy one?
On the basis of the impressive showing that the production Bravo put in on Roman roads, we can overlook many of the shortcomings of the T-Jet prototype. The finished car's gearshift was first rate, the driving position good and well-judged pedal weightings included excellent brake feel. It rode pretty well on the standard-issue suspension and wheels, even if did crump on really bad surfaces. The biggest Bravo problem is probably over-light steering, which feels disconnected from the road surface, but that's a familiar Fiat failing. However novel and interesting the 1.4-litre turbo is though, I can�t see it eclipsing the diesel version. For the time being, the M-Jet will remain the Bravo of choice.

Autocar

[Artanis]

Road Test: Fiat Bravo (2007-)

Assets
Handsome-looking hatchback with good space, nicely finished interior and efficient new 1.4-litre turbocharged petrol engines. Promises to be good value.

Drawbacks
Lumpy ride on the biggest wheels, engines could be quieter at speed, no external boot release, optional sat nav has ultra-vague instructions.

Verdict
A vast improvement over the unloved Stilo but no more than an average car in its class.

Price range likely to be �10,000-�15,000. On sale in UK June 2007.

http://www.channel4....at/bravo/1442/1

[Alllexandru]

Oricum pare un mare pas inainte al celor de la FIAT , masina arata grozav in poze, sper sa le ofere gura de aer de care au nevoie.Daca va merge la drum si fiabilitate macar la 70% din cum arata va fi un succes, personal cand va aparea imi voi da toata silinta sa fac un drive - test cu motorizarile de varf evident in limita dealerilor din Romania

[masterblaster]

http://www.autoexpre...fiat_bravo.html

[the1]

Parca-i film facut de amatori si postat pe youtube. AExpress sucks.

[Maxy]

Ce imitatie de Jeremy combinat cu nitel Jason Plato.... http://www.garajul.r...tyle_emoticons/default/010.gif

[the1]

Noi nu existam.

[maximus]

squadra volanti? astia cine sunt? stiu ca sunt putin offtopic, da' ce uniforma misto au politaii italieni

[masterblaster]

@the1 noi suntem in penumbra
@maximus probabil sunt politia rutiera....ca doar n-or fi "patratul zburator" cum a tradus babelfish http://www.garajul.r...tyle_emoticons/default/010.gif

[Maxy]

Culmea si translatorul de la goolge e de aceeasi parere http://www.garajul.r...tyle_emoticons/default/010.gif

[masterblaster]

am incercat si eu
deci, dupa principiul "daca 2 iti spun ca esti beat dute si te culca", politia italiana are o divizie speciala numita "patratul zburator" http://www.garajul.r...tyle_emoticons/default/010.gif

[the1]

Squadra inseamna echipa daca nu ma insel... Squadra Azura. Squadra Volanti. Brigada/Echipa Cirlculatie.

[masterblaster]

asa zic si eu, dar nenea gugal si pestele babel spun ca e "patratul zburator"

[the1]

Verdict


http://www.autocarma...0-Sport/226578/

This is a better Bravo than the pre-production launch cars we sampled earlier in 2007. It feels better built and more refined, gelling more effectively than those early examples, and the 148bhp T-Jet engine offers real performance and bang for your buck. It can be vocal, but keen drivers will be happy with the trade-off, especially as it delivers the promised fuel economy and CO2 emission improvements.

This car also scores with its styling, price, an attractive interior and decent equipment. But the Bravo is a car you must try before you buy, because the driving position may prove uncomfortable. Less serious, but annoying, is the difficulty of reading the instruments.

The Bravo�s chassis is not as accomplished as the class best, but it�s better than many key rivals. In combination with its substantial appeal on other fronts, this Fiat deserves a far wider audience than its predecessors.

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The Bravo unusual in this class for being handsome � svelte, even. In engineering terms it scores for being a front-runner with a downsized engine.

The new car is heavily based on the old Stilo � fortunately with significant refinements � but new are the downsized 1.4 petrol T-Jet engines, both fitted with turbochargers to improve efficiency and reduce emissions.

The base 89bhp 1.4 motor is a lightly modified edition of the long-lived FIRE engine, while the 1.4 T-Jet is an extensively reworked, turbocharged version producing either 118bhp or 148bhp, the downsizing process providing 10-20 per cent fuel economy and emissions improvements over comparable 1.6 and 2.0-litre engines. It�s the 150 T-Jet that we test. The diesel line-up consists of the familiar common-rail 1.9s of 118bhp and 148bhp, while all engines come with a six-speed gearbox bar the base diesel.

The Bravo�s suspension is a MacPherson strut front/twist beam rear axle set-up. It�s less sophisticated than the fully independent multi-link arrangements of the Ford Focus and VW Golf, but it has been extensively refined, with hydraulic rear axle anchorage bushes, for instance, and a variety of modifications intended to improve the front axle�s strength and precision.

The Bravo has achieved a five-star EuroNCAP occupant crash rating, though only two stars for pedestrian impact � and much attention has been paid to noise suppression.

You get a lot of go for your money with this T-Jet engine. You can pay as little as �13,995 for it, but even at the �14,295 that this Sport costs there�s little to touch it for the money in terms of horsepower or acceleration.

The 1.4-litre motor�s smaller-than-average turbo very effectively reduces lag, this engine feeling pretty feisty despite a little low-rev lethargy and a couple of flat spots under full throttle.

Sport versions of the 150 T-Jet get a shot of overboost torque, the 170lb ft total enough to propel the Fiat to 60mph in 8.5sec and on to 131mph. That acceleration is achieved through shorter gearing in the middle ratios and this, together with a relatively limited rev range (the red line is at 6000rpm, and the cut-out at 6500rpm) means more gearchanging than might be expected with so much torque.

When it comes to ride and handling, the Bravo hasn�t really got the sophistication of the class-leading Focus and Golf, or the solid capability of the Astra, but it is good enough. The first surprise is that despite its biggish wheels and low-profile tyres the Sport rides with a firm pliancy that feels quite sophisticated, even if sharp-edged potholes make the suspension crash.

Better still is that the Bravo�s bodyshell feels genuinely rigid, an impression underscored by a robustness that Fiats rarely display.

The story is similar in the handling department. Turn-in is quite sharp and the chassis pretty obedient up to a point, this being the moment when the engine�s enthusiasm gets the better of the tyres.

The steering is the weakest dynamic link. Fiat�s Dualdrive electric assistance is fitted; press the Sport button on the dash and the resistance is firmed below 19mph. But while the Bravo changes direction with fair accuracy, the sensation of mild woolliness never departs.

The brakes are a shade over-servoed at first, and they could use more bite once past that point.

Those used to the dull, fragile feeling of Fiats past will be agreeably surprised by the Bravo�s cabin, which is stylish, attractive and well made.

The main dash is dual-textured, the main occupant-facing section finished with a soft-feel faux carbonfibre material. The wheel is attractively leather-bound, the instruments look classy, the seat trim is attractive and the ambience lifted by tasteful flashes of chrome and piano black. If the lower reaches of the interior are lower grade, the overall effect is nevertheless pleasing and individual.

But while the Bravo�s cabin is spacious, your enjoyment of it may be compromised. The driving position does not suit all. Despite a four-way adjustable wheel, a seat height adjuster and an infinitely adjustable backrest, some testers found themselves endlessly adjusting each in a vain attempt to get comfortable, possibly because the classic Italian �short leg, long arm� stance is forced on you.

There�s disappointment in the rear, too. Under-thigh support is limited because the cushion is mounted too close to the floor, an upshot of the coup�-like roofline. Which is a shame, because knee and foot room aren�t bad, and the seat itself appears well shaped. Less of a compromise is the boot, which is big, well shaped, easy to get at and extendable by folding rear seats that hinge to form a protective bulkhead.

This car is excellent value and turns in better-than-average fuel economy. But depreciation, the bane of many a Fiat, may undermine it. On the positive side, the Bravo�s style and Fiat�s concerted attempts to improve a below-par dealer network should help, as will the evident improvement in quality. But against it is history, and fearsome competition. There�s nothing unusual about the Bravo�s back-up either, in contrast to the new 500 which can optionally be had with a five-year/300,000-mile warranty. Depreciation apart, though, the Bravo should prove painless to own.