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[VIPER]

As zice ca e fix invers, si anume masinile de raliu sunt derivate din cele de strada! Asa prevede inclusiv Regulamentul FIA. Ca dupa aia s-au folosit la cele de strada de ce au invatat in Raliu, e alta poveste.

[VIPER]

Mda, am incercat sa editez si cucu...

In fine, nu-s de acord nici cu ideea ca Impreza e compacta si EVO nu... 4465 vs. 4490mm lungime, 1740 vs. 1770 latime...

Iar Impreza cu 5 usi e Wagon, nu Hatch...

[CrisArkgoth]

mda, true, oricum ai da-o nu e aceasi mancare de peste, de altfel nici clio si mini nu prea au ce cauta aici.....

[VIPER]

Exact... E un pic aiurea... Hai ca va mai dau un Hot Hatch atunci: Dodge Caliber R/T. E in clasa compacta (culmea!), e hatchback orice s-ar zice, si are si versiune AWD daca trebuie neaparat..

[Frank SF]

sunt de acord ca Dodge Caliber R/T este un hot hatch ! Pacat ca nu se aduce inca in Europa....

Acuma legat de discutia Hatch vs Sedan, in US si cred ca si in Canada exista o versiune de Jetta numita GLI, care este de fapt o versiune sedan a lui Golf GTI, cu acelasi suspensii, motor, interior personalizat, spoilere....

in Europa s-a incetatenit termenul de hot hatch pentru ca exceptind citeva piete avide de siluete in 3 volume, in restul hatch-ul este dominant pentru clasa compacta...

ma surprinde si pe mine lipsa de voturi pentru Golf GTI

[Alllexandru]

Ramanem la hatch-uri si scoatem sedan-urile ca sa nu mai existe discutii.Va rog postati la subiect, respectiv de ce ati votat ce ati votat sau nu si de ce

Introducem si Dodge la sugestia lui Viper

Evident ca nu vom avea niciodata cum sa testam toti sau unul dintre noi aceste masini fizic, vorbim din ce stim, nu stim, ne place sau nu ne place

Aceasta postare a fost editata de Alllexandru: 13 februarie 2007 - 06:57

[VIPER]

Atunci pliz muta-mi votul de la Astra OPC la Caliber R/T Na, m-am dat de gol

[Dee]

Nu cred ca este posibil ca cineva sa testeze toate aceste modele intr-un mod comparativ decat daca este redactor sef sau pilot de teste la o revista auto de renume. Putem doar sa emitem pareri, sau optiuni subiective ce-i drept in functie de preferinte, gusturi si hai fie..si empirici..nevoi. Poate unii vor un all rounder sa nu-si rupa spatele la suspensiile tari altii vor un LSD ca vor sa intre in curbe cu viteze mari si sa iasa la fel de tare. Deci aici invetariem niste optiuni si nu dam verdicte..
Si chiar daca am da tot Kia Ceed 2.0 CRDI ar iesi cea mai tare vorba lui Maxy.

[Alllexandru]

Atunci pliz muta-mi votul de la Astra OPC la Caliber R/T Na, m-am dat de gol

Done it !

[dany_s]

e diferenta destul de mare intre A3 3.2 si S3.

stiu

Dintre cele doua , imi place 3.2 Quattro mai mult.

Am ezitat sa votez pt Caliber R/T care deocamdata arata bine pe hartie dar astept sa vad niste teste.

[ska]

dodge caliber? voi GLUMITI????

[VIPER]

De ce, colega? Dodge Caliber R/T, nu ala normal. E adevarat, nu are 200CP. Dar e considerat "hot" pe unele piete. Nu blace, scoatem. Dar as fi curios sa vad o comparatie pe pista intre Caliber R/T AWD si Astra OPC

[Dee]

FULL TEST CALIBER

Times, they are a-changing. As gas prices lurch upward, small SUVs and crossovers are popping up everywhere. Five-door compact wagons, traditionally huge sellers in Europe but dust-gatherers in U.S. showrooms, now have their big chance.

In other words, Dodge's timing with the 2007 Dodge Caliber R/T AWD could not be better. This boldly styled compact wagon crossover has a ton of impressive features on its spec sheet, and it's priced to move. Our well-optioned tester came in at a respectable $21,450, which puts it head-to-head with an all-wheel drive Toyota Matrix or Pontiac Vibe.

Power locked and loaded
To assure SUV-addicted customers that the Caliber is not just a cuddly, warmed-over Neon replacement, Dodge has adopted an "anything but cute" styling and marketing strategy. To that end, Caliber has been given the corporate face from a Durango, with perhaps a dash of Magnum thrown in to keep the whole firearm macho persona plausible. Although we're not entirely convinced that the theme scales down well to this size, the standard P215/55R18 tires on alloy wheels are a visual home run.

Inside, our Caliber R/T came standard with all of the most polular convenience features and power this and that. The controls for these items are well laid out and intuitive. We didn't have to consult the manual to figure out any of it.

But Dodge has taken things a step further, adding a few uncommon tricks. A Chill Zone beverage-cooling compartment within the glovebox works OK � but only if you crank the A/C. "Disco lights" (our term) illuminate the otherwise basic front cupholders. Both drew their share of dismissive sneers, but added value. A snap-out LED flashlight that latches into a charger built into the rear hatch interior lamp housing was universally praised.

Testers appreciated the numerous audio features. Our Caliber's steering wheel had very complete audio controls. We promise. Once we found them hiding on the back of the spokes they were easy to master.

Cooler still was the well-designed iPod/MP3/cell phone pocket that flips forward from the center armrest. It provides a full view of an iPod screen and thumb wheel, and is located directly over a 115-volt, two-prong power outlet.

Our R/T's 60/40 rear seats folded flat, opening storage space from a modest 18.5 to a respectable 48 cubic feet. If you're alone and need to carry something long, the front-passenger seatback can be folded flat as well. Dual finger pockets for closing the somewhat narrow rear hatch serve left- and right-handers equally well.

Our no-sunroof R/T had plenty of headroom for our tallest staffers, but elbow space at the door was tight. Some complained that forward visibility was a little slotlike owing to a lowish windshield header. The view out the back felt "pinched" by overarching D-pillars and large, fixed rear headrests.

Option misfire
We thought the $320 in-dash six-disc CD/MP3 option would be a no-brainer. Instead it was a huge dud. When we grabbed our iPod and went looking for the much touted auxiliary iPod/MP3 input jack, we couldn't find it. Many calls to Dodge later, we learned that this jack is deleted when you "upgrade" to the six-disc changer. What a rip! Our advice to iPod people is to stick with the standard single-disc CD player, which has the auxiliary input jack.

Other options fared better. The $400 premium sound group included a nine-speaker Boston Acoustics system with subwoofer and a pair of Musicgate speakers that swung down from the open hatch to amplify tailgating. Sneer-inducing for some, but they worked. Another $400 gave us the Driver Convenience Group, a grab bag of gadgets. Niftiest among them was the real-time tire-pressure readout on the dash.

For $150, our car sported Sunburst Orange Pearl exterior paint. But checking that box brings the color inside onto the center stack and seat inserts. More sneers, but that's why there are color choices, right? If our tester had been black or silver we think the treatment would have been a hit instead of a miss.

Another miss was our test car's iffy fit and finish. Yes, it was a pilot production car, but even with that caveat, we found many items of concern, from oversized and inconsistent body panel gaps to an ill-fitting airbag cover and a reluctant seatbelt retractor.

Faster than a speeding�Prius?
It's hard to tell if the Caliber R/T's larger four-cylinder engine hit the target or not. It looks decent on paper, especially when compared to a Toyota Matrix or Mazda 3: 2.4 liters, 172 horsepower at 6,000 rpm, 165 pound-feet of torque at 4,400 rpm, DOHC, dual variable valve timing. But during testing, acceleration was more sluggish than the specs suggest.

The Caliber's 10.1-second 0-60-mph time was unimpressive. The last AWD Toyota Matrix we tested returned 11 seconds with a much wimpier 1.8-liter, 123-hp engine. At the end of the quarter-mile, the gap shrunk to only 0.4 second, but 49 horsepower should produce a bigger advantage. Heck, a Toyota Prius gets to 60 in 10.4 seconds.

We doubt it's due to the bulk of the Caliber R/T's all-wheel-drive system, which features an electronically controlled coupling (ECC) and variable torque split. Experience shows that superior AWD launch traction offsets the extra mass � especially on a front driver.

So what's the deal? True, the 3,308-pound curb weight of our Caliber R/T AWD is some 300 pounds greater than an all-wheel-drive Matrix. But the Dodge still has a 26 percent better power-to-weight ratio � 5.2 hp per 100 pounds versus 4.1.

Shooting blanks
The culprit seems to be the mandatory continuously variable transmission (CVT), which, more than any other we've driven, had the effect of severing the visceral connection between driver and power plant.

Depressing the gas pedal did not change the drone of the engine or move the tach much, as acceleration was instead accomplished by a computer altering the CVT ratio. We felt about as involved as a taxi passenger asking the cabbie to step on it.

Autostick manual mode is provided, but on this CVT the simulated shifts felt especially, well, simulated. It was a tad faster this way, so we used it for our acceleration tests.

This sort of behavior is fine for fuel-sipping hybrids like the Toyota Prius, but the Caliber R/T is the allegedly sporty model with 18-inch tires, "sport suspension" and "performance steering."

But it isn't much of a fuel sipper. Caliber R/T AWD estimated ratings are 23 city/26 highway, while the Matrix AWD returns 25/30. During our week with the car, we saw an average of 21.5 mpg.

If all-wheel drive doesn't interest you, front-wheel-drive R/T models are scheduled for July. There are two-wheel-drive units with manual transmission available now, but only with the 1.8-liter engine.

Spin stabilized
As a daily driver, the Caliber R/T is balanced and competent enough. The steering is reasonably linear. Ride comfort was just a little firm over L.A. freeways, but in the ballpark. But nothing made us want to go charging around on back roads on our time off. Commute to home, park it, wait for tomorrow, drive to work, repeat.

Handling and steering didn't exactly live up to "sport" and "performance" expectations. We only managed 0.75 lateral g on the skid pad, with those 18-inch tires complaining loudly all the way. Understeer was strong, especially accelerating out of a corner. Our 64.2-mph slalom run was OK for the class, but we experienced mucho body roll.

Braking performance is also a mixed bag. Our Caliber R/T's four-wheel disc brakes hauled it to a stop from 60 mph in just 120 feet, but pedal effort is high and the brakes feel wooden.

Total recoil
If Dodge's aim for the Caliber was to terminate the Neon from our collective minds and replace it with something more purposeful and less cute, it has certainly hit its target. But in the end, our initial enthusiasm for the 2006 Dodge Caliber R/T and its inviting array of features was softened by its underwhelming performance, fun-robbing CVT and the quality shortcomings of our preproduction tester.

Hopefully that enthusiasm will be relit when we test the turbocharged SRT version sometime this summer.


Daca ma intrebati pe mine...o fi hatch..but there is nothing hot about it...

[Frank SF]

Din cite stiu eu, este in plan un Caliber 2.4 turbo care va avea peste 300 cai

[Dee]

Ca sa-l citez pe Bernie Mac > 300 hp don't cure ugly! ))

[dany_s]

r/t AWD nu e un hot hatch, e prea lent si vine doar cu o cutie CVT oribila.

Vorbeam de viitoarea versiune SRT4 care va avea intradevar 300cp si arata foarte bine bine chestie de gust, mie si cel de baza imi place cum arata - e o poza cu el pe threadul cu salonul de la montreal), singura problema e ca va fi FWD, mare greseala zic eu din partea celor de la Dodge, pt ca FWD cu 300...decat daca n-u are cine stie ce LSD performanta (choiar daca si asa e discutabil) va fi foarte nasol....acum, sa vedem ce-o iesi.

[Frank SF]

adica ala 2.4 de 173 CP e AWD dar SRT4 il scot FWD ? WTF ?

[dany_s]

Ciudat dar din cate stiu eu, asa va fi. Nu mai stiu daca pe Caliber sau doar pe Compass exista optiunea motorului 2.4 doar FWD

[DOOM]

Am votat GTI.
Ratiunile care m-au facut sa aleg modelul acesta sunt urmatoarele:
-voiam hatchback, un motor destul de puternic, 4 usi, motor turbo, tractiune fata sau integrala, si un pic de imagine.P
Probabil multi vor zice ca tot ce conteaza la o masina e timpul in care face suta, dar eu nu am pus asta pe primul plan.Am studiat problema din toate unghiurile si pentru ce ofera GTI-ul mi s-a parut o afacere buna la acea vreme.Si acum la un an jumate de cand o am nu mi-am schimbat parerea.
Am mers si cu R32 dar avand in vedere costurile suplimentare pe care le implica masina respectiva si diferenta de performanta sunt de parere ca nu merita decat daca esti fan inrait VW - si tipul care si-l luase facea parte din aceasta categorie.

[masterblaster]

Sa-l stapanesti sanatos si sa te bucuri de el! :beerchug: in ro cel putin e cea mai buna oferta (ma rog ar mai fi si octi vrs, care desi arata mai cuminte mie imi place foarte mult)

Probabil multi vor zice ca tot ce conteaza la o masina e timpul in care face suta

Da, dar nu aici. Aia isi petrec timpul pe alte forumuri

[DOOM]

Mersi de urari.
La Octi vRS nu mi-a placut asa mult interiorul, si cum masina precedenta a fost Octi 1 (1,9 TDI) am zis sa mai schimb.

[Sandman_]

Am votat M2RS, dar in versiunea R26, cu 230CP, model care a batut S3, iar toate celelalte erau departe in urma.

[andrei041]

Desi la prima vedere ar putea fi greu de ales intre optiunile de mai sus ... ptr mine e f usor: S3

[rzv74]

Vier sportliche Kompakte im Test
Und tsch�ss, GTI!
un test din autobild cu 4 bucati

http://www.autobild....rtikel_id=14112

[EvilOne]

Se vad avantajele injectiei directe, consum mic la aceleasi performante. Desi motorul de pe R26 nu e slab, nu e la nivel de Seat/Golf....dar cam atit, numai daca vrei consum mic, in rest cred ca R26 le da secunde bune pe circuit la amindoua. Civic nu stiu ce cauta acolo, mai bine bagau pe Focus ST