Stiri si zvonuri din industria auto
#276
Scris 22 decembrie 2007 - 08:41
#277
Scris 22 decembrie 2007 - 10:04
Tu ai vazut unde ai postat?
Ex-FN2 owner
#278
Scris 28 decembrie 2007 - 10:31
E oficial: masinile consuma real cu 17 pana la 47% in plus fata de consumul declarat de constructori.
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17% este diferenta minima intre consumul real si cel declarat de producator. E cazul lui Toyota RAV4.
47% este diferenta maxima intre consumul efectiv si ceal declarat de constructor. Este cazul lui BMW Seria 1 118d.
Presa internationala auto nu doarme nici in timpul Sarbatorilor iar din acest "excel de zel" se nasc scandaluri-monstru. Cea mai aprinsa discutie din aceasta perioada vine din Italia si Germania, acolo unde revistele Quattroruote si AutoBild au publicat in premiera o lista a consumurilor reale ale unor modele de top din Europa.
Trecand peste consumurile declarate de constructori, care testeaza masinile in cadrul unor sesiuni omologate in peste 50 de tari - dar absolut irelevante in rularea reala, pe strazi - cele doua institutii de presa au decis sa ia problema in propriile maini si sa publice un tabel al consumurilor "reale" rezultate in urma testelor independente de presa. Desi rezultatele erau oarecum asteptate, unele dintre acestea depasesc orice inchipuire. Astfel, consumurile la rularea normala depasesc cu 17 pana la 47% cifrele oficiale prezentate de constructori.
Redactorii Quattroruote explica: "Scandalul a atins proportii enorme. Si vorbim de un scandal chiar mai mare avand in vedere faptul ca declararea unor consumuri cu 47% mai mici decat cele reale dubleaza practic si emisiile de CO2 declarate de producatori."
Iata in ce constau testele producatorilor: masina este pusa pe banda de rulare exact 1190 de secunde. 780 de secunde este simulata rularea in conditii de oras, 400 de secunde constau in simularea conditiilor de rulare in extraurban, finalul testului insemnand maximum 10 secunde de rulare la 120 de kilometri pe ora.
Sursa : automarket.ro
Oooo boy , show-ul deabea acum incepe
#279
Scris 30 decembrie 2007 - 04:28
#281
Scris 30 decembrie 2007 - 10:53
nu exista consum corect, ca nu e bec de 100w care sa stea in priza o ora sa stii ceva.
ei dau un consum dupa niste norme, cat corespund alea cu realitate nu iti va putea spune nimeni...asta pt ca "realitatea" nu difera de la caz la caz.
#282
Scris 30 decembrie 2007 - 10:57
Cit despre asa zisul consum de oras, ala e evident mult prea subiectiv si trebuie sa fii copil sa crezi datele lor. Dar macar ala extraurban ar trebui sa poate fi reprodus.
#283
Scris 30 decembrie 2007 - 11:44
ei cu siguranta nu mint cand spun consumul, problema e ca acel consum, conform specificatiilor difera in situatiile reale destul de mult...iar asta nu ca ar minti ei, ci pentru ca acele specificatii nu pot acoperi toate tipurile de automobile, toate greutatile, puterile conditiile etc.
ce vreau sa spun e ca acolo se zice sa mergi X km cu viteza asta, nu stiu cate accelerari etc....ce se intampla daca nu faci exact asa difera de la masina la masina, de la clasa la clasa etc
#284
Scris 30 decembrie 2007 - 11:53
De ex. in ultima perioada de cind am inchis "pravalia" datorita sarbatorilor, mi-a iesit un consum "urban" de aprox. 14-15%. Ori inainte aveam cel putin 20 !
#285
Scris 31 decembrie 2007 - 02:59
tu nebuno tu, zapacito, te sparg, te-ndoi ... m-am sucit ... si tot sugi si tot bagi si tot sugi ... daca nu e tare, cred ca o frec degeaba ... de meserie sunt frumoasa. si sunt modesta, dar vreau sa se stie .. înaltă, blondă și cu sânii mari ... sunt cu mașina la spălătorie.
despre fotografie
#286
Scris 31 decembrie 2007 - 10:59
#287
Scris 31 decembrie 2007 - 11:55
adevarul ca pentru fiecare difera consumul in oras.. depinde de oras, de trafic...dar ar trebui sa fie macar pentru cel calcutal in afara orasului cam acelasi.. pt ca acolo variabilele sunt mai putine.
#288
Scris 03 ianuarie 2008 - 10:55
03.01.2008
Motoarele Diesel vechi, interzise �n unele oraşe din Germania
Vehiculele considerate prea poluante nu mai au voie sa circule, de marti dimineata, �n centrul a trei mari orase germane. �ntre acestea se numara si capitala Berlin, iar masura va fi extinsa �n cursul anului 2008 �n alte 20 de localitati ale tarii, �ntre care Stuttgart si Munchen, transmite AFP.Obiectivul acestei reforme, inedite �n Germania, este de a interzice �n marile orase, �ncep�nd cu Berlin, Koln si Hanovra, circulatia masinilor care emit prea multe microparticule. �n total, 1,7 milioane de vehicule, �n special cele dotate cu motoare diesel vechi, vor fi afectate de aceasta masura.
Autoritatile spera astfel sa-i convinga pe proprietarii de masini vechi sa le echipeze cu filtre speciale, daca este posibil. Concret, toate masinile sau camioanele care vor sa aiba acces �n zonele vizate trebuie sa aiba pe parbrize o noua vigneta, de culoare verde, galbena sau rosie, �n functie de gradul de poluare al vehiculului. Masinile considerate cu adevarat prea poluante nu vor putea obtine niciuna dintre aceste vignete si deci le va fi interzis accesul de facto.
Amenda- 40 de euro
Soferii care circula sau stationeaza fara vigneta �n zonele protejate risca o amenda de 40 de euro si o sanctionare de un punct �n permis. La Berlin, autoritatile au anuntat totusi ca vor da dovada de clementa cel putin p�na la sf�rsitul lunii ianuarie.Aceasta reforma este "tentativa cea mai serioasa p�na �n prezent pentru a lupta �mpotriva celei mai serioase surse de poluare a aerului, care provoaca 75.000 de decese premature pe an", a afirmat �ntr-un comunicat organizatia ecologista Deutsche Umwelthilfe. Organizatia a anuntat ca trimite �n teren, �ncep�nd de miercuri, propriile echipe de controlori, pentru a sensibiliza polulatia.
Taxa pentru masinile care polueaza, la Milano
Soferii care conduc masinile cele mai poluante vor trebui sa achite, de miercuri, o taxa pentru a intra �n centrul orasului Milano, potrivit unei decizii a autoritatilor municipale din capitala economica a Italiei, relateaza AFP. Achizitionarea unui permis special denumit "ecopass", zilnic sau permanent, al carui pret variaza �n functie de nivelul de poluare al vehiculului, va fi obligatorie pentru a trece de una dintre cele 43 de "porti" electronice, dotate cu echipamente video, care asigura accesul �n centrul istoric al orasului Milano. Intrarea �n vigoare a masurii, care nu vizeaza masinile "prietenoase" cu mediul, adica cele care respecta normele europene, si nici vehiculele cu doua roti, este marcata de o anumita confuzie, potrivit asociatiei consumatorilor Codacons, care s-a pl�ns �n presa de o lipsa de informare si de claritate. Primaria a precizat ca vehiculele �nmatriculate �ntr-o alta tara care nu se supun normelor europene vor fi scutite de plata acestei taxe, raspunz�nd astfel uneia dintre �ntrebarile ridicate de criticii masurii.
Potrivit estimarilor oficiale, 40.000 de vehicule - automobile cu benzina sau motorina, autobuzele diesel - care emana 90% dintre emisiile de gaze polunate din traficul rutier vor trebui sa plateasca zilnic aceasta taxa de pe urma careia autoritatile locale se asteapta la un venit anual de 24 de milioane de euro, bani ce vor fi reinvestiti �n transportul public.Biletele zilnice de doi, cinci sau zece euro si abonamentele "de libera trecere" de 50, 125 sau 250 de euro pot fi cumparate din data de 18 decembrie de la chioscurile de tutun, iar din 27 decembrie si prin internet.Primarul din Milano, Letizia Moratti, membra a partidului lui Silvio Berlusconi, Forza Italia, a dus o batalie acerba chiar �n r�ndul majoritatii sale din consiliul municipal pentru a putea promova acest proiect.
sursa: gardianul.ro
Da... ma rog , nu sunt de acord cu stirea aia ca 75.000 de oameni mor prematur anual din cauza noxelor de la masini si ca este cea mai importanta sursa de poluare de pe planeta ... ecologisti extremisti care s-au saturat sa tot care pancarde pe la marile uzine care intradevar polueaza .
Cat despre stirea in sine , chiar mi se pare o idee buna si mai ales ca se va innoii rapid parcul auto in astfel de tari deodata ce politia lor chiar are autoritate .
Aceasta postare a fost editata de Cristian: 03 ianuarie 2008 - 10:58
#289
Scris 04 ianuarie 2008 - 02:13
#290
Scris 04 ianuarie 2008 - 02:50
anyway masura e ok atata timp cat cei vizati sunt ajutati cu programe gen "rabla" sa-si cumpere masini noi
He who wants too much from life ends up losing everything! But he who wants too little ends up not having anything at all!
#291
Scris 04 ianuarie 2008 - 07:13
si unele chestii din ce zici tu acolo sint datorate calitatii motorinei.
#292
Scris 05 ianuarie 2008 - 08:15
4 January 2008 | Source: just-auto.com editorial team
For years it was a given - the Detroit-based Big Three were the top three sellers in the United States and Ford was usually number two. With the release of the 2007 sales statistics, that paradigm was cracked wide open - Toyota, shock horror, was Number Two, displacing Ford to a lowly third and kicking Chrysler right out of the 'big three', possibly forever.
The bald (Ward's Auto, adjusted for daily selling rate) numbers are these: General_Motors, 3,824,551 cars and light trucks, down 3.1% year on year; Toyota, 2,620,826, up 3.1%; Ford, 2,502,015, down 12.1%; Chrysler, 2,076,062, down 3.1%.
Detroit v Asia? 8,402,628 (off 7.3%) compared with 6,738,854 (a 3.3% gain). At least, many of those Asian-brand autos were built in the US.
Inevitably, brave faces were put on, we-meant-to-do-that statements put out.
Ford marketing chief Jim Farley (who, ironically, left Toyota last autumn to join the blue oval) told Automotive News the company's focus is now on restructuring operations to be profitable at lower demand levels.
The US trade newspaper noted that, for full-year 2007, it seemed like every piece of good news for Ford was countered by something negative.
It cited as examples: F-150 pickup the top-selling vehicle in the US for the 31st straight year but sales down 13.2% year on year; a 21.4% drop in Lincoln sales in December despite new models such as the MKZ sedan and MKX crossover boosting the year's count to 131,487 from 120,476.
Automotive News also noted that sales of the Explorer, once Ford's cash cow and the nation's best-selling SUV, were down 18% from 2006.
In a statement, Ford said it expected the economic environment to remain challenging in 2008 and saw the first half rate in the range of 15.2 to 15.7m light vehicles.
"We are restructuring our business to be profitable at lower demand and changed mix and accelerating the development of new products people want to buy," Farley said in the statement.
"We have more work to do to reach our ultimate goal - profitable growth for all. But we have made progress in a short amount of time in several key areas."
Total light vehicle sales fell 2.5% to 16,089,312 in a year in which the sub-prime mortgage crisis credit crunch and rising petrol prices added to the woes of a US-based industry already desperately trying to restructure and downsize to reduce unit costs and offset crippling healthcare 'legacy' costs not borne by newer Asian rivals.
Things didn't go all Toyota's way, however.
"Two of our key markets, Florida and California, were hit hardest by the housing fallout," Toyota Division general manager Bob Carter told Automotive News. "We still see the fundamentals as very strong. We see that carrying into 2008, especially the second half."
And, though its Lexus Division was best-selling luxury vehicle brand, with sales of 329,177 units, for the eighth year in a row, Toyota failed to meet its sales target of 200,000 for the new Tundra pickup - despite heavy incentives last summer and autumn, Tundra sales for the year totalled 196,555, the paper said.
Ford and Toyota need not feel alone with disappointing pickup truck sales.
Noted the New York Times: "�2007 was the year the pickup hit the wall [and] that's bad news for auto companies, which have long relied on pickups as a steady supplier of hefty profits as they responded to consumers' shifting tastes for other vehicles."
The paper noted that trucks survived the recent SUV sales downturn because businesses still needed workhorses and some drivers still wanted to stroke their egos by owning "the biggest wheels on the block", but analysts now say that high petrol prices, the housing slump and the uncertain economy are causing would-be buyers to hold off visiting dealers.
"Pickup truck sales are victims of the economic conditions we're now in," Autodata president Ron Pinelli told the New York Times.
Sales of GM's F-series-rivalling Silverado fell 2.8% in 2007 and the automaker is cutting truck production this winter as it eliminates several thousand union jobs, the paper noted.
Citing Autodata, the paper added that collapsing pickup sales were a primary reason that Detroit plummeted to its lowest market share ever last year, taking just 51% of American sales.
Ford (F-series) and Chrysler (Dodge Ram) have major truck redesigns ready for this month's Detroit motor show while Toyota has a smaller concept under covers.
Sales of Honda's Ridgeline truck fell 15% in 2007, even though the automaker posted its 11th straight year of higher sales in the US, and Nissan's Titan fell 9.2% from 2006, the New York Times said.
"This was definitely a challenging year to be in the car business, and 2008 isn't likely to be a piece of cake," said American Honda executive vice president Dick Colliver.
An interesting note here: Fit sales in the model's swansong full year increased 101.4% to 56,432, suggesting the little car - sold elsewhere as the Jazz - found new US friends as petrol prices soared. In contrast, though Civic Hybrid sales set an annual record for the sixth consecutive year, they rose just 3.9% to 32,575.
European manufacturers boosted US sales 2.9% to 947,830. BMW, facing its own profitability challenges this year, led that pack with a 7.1% rise to 335,840.
Among other Asian automakers, Mazda posted a 10.2% rise to 296,113 and Mitsubishi, spurred by a new Lancer and solid Outlander growth was up 8.8% to 128,993 units.
"Talk of weak consumer confidence, credit concerns and rising fuel prices drove consumers toward smaller, more efficient vehicles and to crossover SUVs," said Mazda chief Jim O'Sullivan. Nevertheless, 2007 was a difficult year and we fully expect the industry will face even tougher conditions in 2008."
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today" - James Dean
"Les voitures, c'est comme les femmes, il y a celles pour lesquelles on a un coup de foudre et celles avec lesquelles on a envie de vivre."
#293
Scris 06 ianuarie 2008 - 10:47
#294
Scris 06 ianuarie 2008 - 09:46
#295
Scris 06 ianuarie 2008 - 11:25
"Coming together is a beginning; keeping together is progress; working together is success." - Henry FordMondeo Mk3 2.0TDCi 2002 Superchipped
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#296
Scris 07 ianuarie 2008 - 02:17
#297
Scris 07 ianuarie 2008 - 10:29
Si da, poluarea venita de la masini e mai mica decat cea din industrie per total, dar in oras cred ca situatia e putin invers.
#298
Scris 07 ianuarie 2008 - 04:14
Buna intrebare, avand in vedere ca benzina cu pb nu se mai vinde de mult.
Ba se mai vinde, cu ce crezi ca merg Daciile 1300, 1310 etc.....
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today" - James Dean
"Les voitures, c'est comme les femmes, il y a celles pour lesquelles on a un coup de foudre et celles avec lesquelles on a envie de vivre."
#299
Scris 07 ianuarie 2008 - 04:27
P.S. nu pot atasa nimic aici... Doritorilor le trimit textele pe PM.
"Coming together is a beginning; keeping together is progress; working together is success." - Henry FordMondeo Mk3 2.0TDCi 2002 Superchipped
Flickr - pozele mele
#300
Scris 08 ianuarie 2008 - 01:54
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