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[imircea]

Parerea mea: cine a condus o masina cu cutie automata, nu mai vrea decat automata

[andrei041]

De condus n'am condus decat C2'ul lui Maxy, insa, desi mi'a placut, nu ar opta deocamdata pentru manuala. De ex, la SLZ, imi place uneori sa merg in 3000-3500rpm constant, prin oras. La turatia aia, daca e mentinuta mai mult timp, o automata nu m'ar trece in treapta urmatoare? Stiu ca la o apasare hotarata a acceleratiei ar retrograda la loc ... dar nu mai e aceeasi chestie

[adytzu]

Parerea mea: cine a condus o masina cu cutie automata, nu mai vrea decat automata

Gresit complet. Am condus si NU voi mai conduce decat obligat de imprejurari.

[ska]

depinde de masina si de cutie...

[vrajitorul din orz]

Sa nu exageram. Am facut zeci de mii de km cu automata, ma simt cu cutie automata ca la mama acasa, si cu toate astea nu as cumpara asa ceva. E o chestie de gust.

[imircea]

Cum spunea si ska... depinde de masina (motor mai degraba) si de cutie

[masterblaster]

eu cred ca depinde in primul rand de om (de preferinte, mofturi) si abia apoi de masina si cutie.

[dany_s]

preferinte, mofturi, varsta si mai ales conditiile in care conduce zilnic si as zice in mod egal de masina si cutia.

nu zic ca nu sunt oameni pe Terra care o sa prefere sa conduca un Matiz in loc de un SLK 55 AMG doar pt ca primul e manual si al doilea automat, insa cred eu ca acestia ar fi in procentaj extrem extrem de mic.

[Dee]

Manuala robotizata sau CVT all the way. E placut sa mesteci in benzina dar in conditiile din Romania e un chin mai ales in Bucuresti.

[vrajitorul din orz]

Evident vorbim de masini echivalente. Facem comparatii intre cutii nu intre cutii si interioare si motoare. La acelsi motor sau chiar cu 10-20% in plus in favoarea automatei pe masini cit de cit echivalente, prefer manuala. Putin peste valorile astea, e complicat. Mult peste valorile astea, automata.

[masterblaster]

@Dee CVT? WTF? cum poate sa-ti placa?

[dany_s]

CVT-ul e eficient dar a atat de plicitisitor!!!

Inteleg inteleg vrajitorule

[masterblaster]

@dany da exact asta vroiam sa zic. si sincer eu nu dau 2 bani pe eficienta CVT-ului

[imircea]

Sii te tarai 6 km intr-o ora si jumatate (cum fac eu dimineata) si nu te doare stangul de atata ambreiaj?

[vrajitorul din orz]

In cazul asta ai ales modalitatea de transport gresita . Apoi daca ar fi sa-ti iei masina numai dupa criteriul tiritului in trafic nu vad de ce ti-ai lua A6 de >200Cp cind te tirii la fel de elegant si cu un Tico, sau ma rog in orice masina de 50CP cu cutie automata.
Dar ma rog in cazul in care as petrece foarte mult blocat in trafic poate as reconsidera.

[ska]

phey da, nu e tot una sa stai 2 ore in A6 sau 2 ore in Tico...
e vorba si de confort. de comoditate. nu doar de 2-300cp...

[scaevola]

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ZF�s quick shifting 6-speed automatic thanks to �twin torsional dampers�September 15, 2008 at 2:06 am � Filed under Cars, International News, Technology

Some companies like Volkswagen have decided to ditch the conventional automatic transmission for an all-twin clutch offering when it comes to a gearbox for those who do not want to bother with shifting and clutching, but many companies still swear by the automatic transmission with planetary gearsets and a torque converter as they usually offer much smoother shifts and thus are usually more suited for a comfortable drive.

Twin clutch and single clutch automated manual transmissions are catching up in terms of smoothness of shifting but the torque converter is also making progress when it comes to shift speed and fuel efficiency. ZF Sachs recently celebrated the 20 millionth torque converter to roll off its Schweinfurt plant.

The latest in ZF�s torque converter technology is the use of twin torsional dampers in the torque converter to allow the lock-up clutch to close at an earlier point in time. This results in faster shift times and better fuel efficiency due to the fact that the mechanical linkage thanks to the lock-up clutch is active more often rather than having power transferred through the oil. This quick-shifting gearboxes have appeared in some higher end BMW vehicles such as the BMW X5.

So yes, conventional automatics apparently aren�t going to disappear anytime soon, with ZF Sachs recently investing another 80 million Euros at its Schweinfurt plant to expand capacity. The plant will also be making ZF�s new 8-speed automatic transmission, that�s said to be making a production appearance on an upcoming V12 760i version of the F01 7-Series and a future Rolls Royce.

Though ZF appears to be committed to improving and pushing the limits of how far the conventional auto can go, ZF will also be venturing into the world of dual clutch transmissions. Two twin clutch boxes are said to be in the works - the 7DCT50 and the 7DCT70 which seems to indicate 7-speed units. Too bad it missed the M DCT boat - BMW�s 7-speed twin clutch box is sourced from Getrag, which traditionally supplies manual boxes to Munich.

[Aer Curat]

In acest vs, vin cu o intrebare punctuala:
Ce stiti / ce parere aveti de cutia automata de la Ford ?
Mai exact este vb de un Ford Mondeo 2.0i, cutie automata, fabricat in 11.2005.

[cata69]

Parerea mea: cine a condus o masina cu cutie automata, nu mai vrea decat automata

probabil pt 99% dintre soferi e valabil, fiind extrem de comod, dar eu simt uneori cum automata gandeste.

ps. stiu ca postul are un an.
ps.2 habar n-am de ford.

[salesman]

nu stiu cum este la astea doi (DSG-uri), dar dezavantajul major - din punctul meu de vedere - al unei cutii automate mi se pare pierderea de putere datorata convertizorului de cuplu.
avantajul major: comoditatea in aglomeratie (ca e oras, ca e DN1, ca e A2, etc)

personal as prefera manuala din cauza pierderilor mai mici, desi de vreo juma' de an conduc o automata...

[EvilOne]

Din moment ce are 2x ambreiaj clasic, pierderile sunt ca la o manuala normala. La fel si la 7Gtonic MCT sau noua cutie robotizata de la Citroen C4

[ska]

[masterblaster]

un demers admirabil

[Kenny]

Eu urmatoarea masina de zi cu zi o sa mi-o iau automatica. Pur si simplu nu merita bataia de cap in trafic.
Dar daca imi iau o a doua masina de fun, de duminica, clar imi iau manuala.

[ska]

schimba c-crosseru pe un outlander din asta cu facelift cu TC-SST cu dublu ambreiaj, si de w/e un ghetei sa-ti manance 5%